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My pigeons are eating well but find it difficult to swollow?

My pigeons are eating well but find it difficult to swollow. I gave 5 days for kanker but still no improvement. After my vet gave me another 5 days for catarth, still the same, again at the vet he insisted about catarth. Tricho 40, chlortetracycline and aviosan were used. Do u think of something else before i give my birds another course? Birds look not bad but in hands i feel them a bit deep and red throats. thks.

question by: frankie

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

The symptoms of catarrh you are describing could indicate an infection with trichomoniasis, candidiasis and/or herpes virus. Since you have already treated for canker, you and your vet should probably take these two other possibilities into account. Herpes is very common but is a virus so it is hard to treat. You could consider an L-lysine treatment and vaccination if possible.

Kind regards

My birds are having a throat problem?

Dear Dr, I am an experience pigeon fanicer and over the last few years I have notice a problem developing in my loft as well as others. Bird look well, have no appetite and swell up in the neck/throat when eating, food empties normally. My vet has advised me this is e.coli in the throat and can't be cured. His advise is to use citric acid, but this only help marginly. Have experimented with low grade antibiotic, probiotic, disinfectants (Virkon S) etc. Can you help please. Thanks John

question by: John Sowter

answer by: Dr Wim Boddaert

Dear Sir,

On the hand of the symptoms that you are giving it is not very clear what the problem is. Is there been already an autopsy or a bacterial analysis by your veterinarian. Because it is important to know if there is really an infection and with which bacteria? Could you please give some more details because otherwise it is impossible to make the correct synthese.
It is possible that it is a E-coli infection, but then is has to be gone after treatment with the correct anitbiotic. It could be also a combination of a viral infection like f.e. circovirus in combination with a secundarly bacterial infection like f.e. coli or streptococcus.
Please give some more details.
Best regards

My pigeons were diagnosed with herpes virus about 2 months ago and also were vomiting just over a week ago?

My pigeons were diagnosed with herpes virus about 2 months ago and also were vomitting just over a week ago. I have now treated them with nifouromycin for 8 days and the pigeons seem in excellent condition. I live in Malta and the racing season is from November until May. Do you think that it is now safe to race my pigeons and should I have any particular worries over them recovering from the herpes virus?

question by: Tony Harte

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

Herpes is very common in pigeons and a lot of pigeons stay carrier of the virus. This doesn't at all have to mean that bird will not perform well, but in cases of immunity weakening this virus can cause some temporary respiratory and/or throat problems. This can happen because of the races, the stress in the baskets, etc... Then it can help to administer L-lysine on the food for one week f.e. This has a blocking effect on the multiplication of the virus and does help clinically, but it is no medication so it can come back when the birds still have a weak immunity or other diseases. Vaccinations can be of help to prevent the disease from breaking through.

Kind regards

What is causing this 'chewing' and laborious breathing in my pigeons?

On first glance, my birds look very healthy, their feathers are shiny, they are lively in the loft, eat and drink normally, and molt very well. However, I am a detailed observer of my birds and see them making a chewing movement as if there is something in their mouth or they have post nasal drip. I also observe that their breathing is a bit more laborious than normal. Upon inspection of the beak, there is no abnormality visible; no masses, no mucus in their throats or noses. Their ceres are white. Simply I cannot see any abnormalities. Over the last two months I have treated with Berimax , Doxycycline (7days) + Baytril (10days), and more recently with Moxydectrin (two courses). While the doxy+baytril improved the droppings significantly in the few birds that had some loose droppings, the chewing and laborious breathing remained. I have send samples from 6 birds to Research Associates Laboratoria in Dallas TX. All test came back negative for: adenovirus, Chlamydia, exotic new castle disease virus, pigeon herpes, pigeon circo virus and salmonella. Subsequently the birds tested negative for trichomonas and mycoplasma. Some birds tested marginally positive for e coli on tracheal swipes, and a few had hyperemic larynx. Other cultures remained negative. Birds were treated for e coli with Baytril (as per biogram). Several birds tested positive (one +) for an unkwown yeast, but candida and other pathogenic fungi were not found. Long story short, for a few months now, the birds have this uncomfertable chewing movement as reflection of an irritation in their mouths. Please advise on suggestions for diagnosis and or treatment approach. Thank you in advance

question by: G

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

Having read your complete story and search for a cause, I'm personally left with one main explanation from my point of view, but I could off course still be wrong. It could also be important to inform us on which kind of samples were sent (droppings, blood,...)?

From my perspective I think of herpes virus being responsible for the symptoms you are seeing. Although it came back negative I would be curious to know from which samples and with what technique herpes virus was investigated. It could be interesting to vaccinate your pigeons for pigeon herpes virus if you can get such a vaccine.

Also it is my experience that vaccinating against paratyphus (salmonella) (in my case always with dead vaccines), has a positive effect on general immunity and so also on immunity for herpes problems. There are a lot of false negative sample tests for salmonella, so coming back negative from a lab doesn't have to mean anything.

Hoping to be of some help.

Kind regards

Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite, from then on they suffer from different symptoms and death?

Hi Need Help Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite from then on they suffer all these symptoms: No Appetite watery droppings air in the Crop sack holding water in the Crop unable to eat corn if picked at some have swollen eyes some have swollen wing buts after 4 or 5 days unable to fly then no desire to live leading to death I have been to a English Vet but this has not helped... they put my birds on SYNULOX 1ML TO 3 PINTS NYSTATIN ON THE CORN BAYCOX AFTER TREATMENT My pigeons are still having problems with this so please reply asap ... Thanks for any advice given

question by: Andrew Bury

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

It would be advisable to treat the birds also for trichomoniasis (f.e. with ronidazole 400mg per liter water) and paratyphus (f.e. with enrofloxacine). Were the birds vaccinated for paramyxovirus, herpes and paratyphus? If not it could be wise to do so.

I cannot be sure of a diagnosis without seeing the birds, but there is a good chance by taking care of these diseases your problem will be solved.

The treatments you had to give, accounted only for candidiasis, streptococs and other bacteria (salmonella temporary) and coccidiosis.

Kind regards

Please assist as i dont know what to use to treat yellow spots in the throat of my pigeons?

Please assist as i dont know what to use to treat yellow spots in the throat of my pigeons. It look like swollen (white/yellow) needle prics. Cant get these birds in propper condition.

question by: PIETER

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

These white-yellow spots could be caused by herpes virus, trichomoniasis or candidiasis. These spots could also be harmless sialolites. I would have to see the birds to be sure. Try to let the birds be checked by a vet for trichomoniasis and candida. My suspicion from your story is herpes virus. This is very common in racing birds but difficult to treat.

Kind regards

When I open the beak of a bird, a silverish/white stain is present on the roof of the birds palate. This rash like stain is on both sides of the opening in palate?

Hi, I will appreciate if you can help me in identifying a symptom in my pigeons. When I open the beak of a bird, a silverish/white stain is present on the roof of the birds palate. This rash like stain is on both sides of the opening in palate, and is situated towards the upper back of the throat. I hope my description of this symptom is sufficient enough so that you can help me. The birds also tend to scratch in the area between their ears and upper throat. Thank you very much in advance Your friend in the South African Pigeon sport Jurie

question by: Jurie Erwee

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

This symptom indicates strongly for a pigeon herpes virus infection. You should also consider candida, trichomiasis and/or bacterial overgrowth. The scratching is an indication for upper respiratory problem but this could also be related with the herpes virus.

Kind regards

My pigeons have always sputum in the throat, and I can not eliminate it. I've tried to various forms, but can not?

Good night I'm a pigeon fancier in Portugal, I m serious problem with my pigeons. I'm tired of trying to resolve the problem by asking a number of fanciers and still can not expediently resolve. In my loft I have no air currents, I have no moisture, the air also to encounter not saturated, the pigeons are healthy. The problem I have in pigeons is as follows: My pigeons have always sputum in the throat, and I can not eliminate it. I've tried to various forms, but can not. I am asking your help to see if I can tell what should I do to eliminate this phlegm throat pigeons. Since already thank you very much. Greetings A. Santos

question by: António Santos

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

Causes of this could be: trichomoniasis, herpes, upper respiratory problems (bacteria like mycoplasma and others), candida infections. Depending on the problem you should give different medication. Try to get a diagnosis with an avian vet. Treatment for trichomonas could be ronidazole, for bacteria antibiotics like spiramycine, linco-spectin,..., for candida nystatin, for herpes there is no effective treatment without losing condition of the birds completely, but I have some results with L-lysine. As a preventive measure I have good results with a high quality colloidal silver solution.

Kind regards

Hello all at pigeon paradise, I'm hoping you can help we have been having problems with our birds for some time now?

Hello all at pigeon paradise, I'm hoping you can help we have been having problems with our birds for some time now. The birds look well but they have realy dark blue-red throats. They were diagnosed with salmonella, E. coli with a high cocci and canker count. They were treated for all the problems. They were also treated for 14 days with batril then injected with chevivac-s. The birds were sneezing, scratching and the odd old bird has had a strange rattle on their chests but have no outward sign's i.e greasy wattle, wet eyes. There is also a creamy coloured mucus in some of the birds wind pipes. They were treated for 5 days with Longstim made by medpet.sa which has Tylan and Amoxicillin as the active ingriedent with some affect but some of the birds have the rattle and there is still the red throat and cream coloured slime in the wind pipe. I have had tests done since with only a light hair worm infestation detected. Please could you shed some light to where i'm going wrong. yours hopefully stu.

question by: stu black

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, You have been having a lot of problems indeed. First of all, get rid of the hair worm infestation as soon as possible, as hair worms are harmful and can be deadly in case of high infestations. For the respiratory problems, perhaps you could let your veterinarian take throat samples and those samples be checked for bacteria and certainly also yeasts (candida). If possible an antibiogram can also be interesting if indicative according to your vet (depends on the swab result), because an antibiogram can make clear which medication can be effective. There is also a possibility herpes virus causes (some of) the symptoms in which case you cannot give medication for it and have to wait untill the birds recover. It could be helpful to get rid of birds that show signs and aren't very important to you. Giving the birds tea, probiotics and vitamins for a longer period could also be of help. Kind regards

Some of the racing pigeons in my loft have a white spot on the tonsil?

I have a problem with some of the racing pigeons in my loft. The problem is a white spot on the tonsil that sits on the floor of the windpipe. It's a raised white line at the entrance of the windpipe on the third tonsil. When pigeons in the loft have this condition, the losses are very heavy. Can you identify this disease and advise me of the appropriate medication to give the birds to eradicate this disease from my loft? I have tried doxycyclin - it keeps it at bay for a few weeks, but then it returns. I live in Western Australia and we have no avian vets here - we only have local vets which are mainly treating cats and dogs.

question by: George Azar

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, First of all you should treat your birds for canker or trichominiasis. Although the white spot isn't necessarily caused by trichomoniasis, it can certainly be the cause for lesser resistance in your birds. Further the spots you describe can be an indication for upper respiratory disease which is a multifactorial problem. In your case it could be helpful to treat the birds with antibiotics that are effective for respiratory diseases. Throath problems are usually well treated with lincomycine-spectinomycine, spiramycine (or tylosine) or erythromycine. It is also possible that herpes virus is complexing the problem. This disease can not be treated with antibiotics. In that case antibiotics only help for secundary bacterial infections. In either case is it advisable to never race a bird that is not completely healthy. Sometimes a longer recuperation can be more helpful for pigeon and fancier. Kind regards

Lately i have been noticing my race team with an accumalation of mucus in the back of there throats?

A warm welcome to all; lately i have been noticing my race team with an accumalation of mucus in the back of there throats. I suspected that the pigeons had Mycoplasmosis Catarrh( birds are regulary checked for tricho so that is the reason why i do not suspect it to be canker). I started a 5 day teatment with chevi-mulin in feed mixed with chevicet-t (both from Chevita) . For the first 3 days I also sprayed in their mouths chevi rhin . in water they had livimun (this treatment plan in advised by the same firm) . All birds look ok but sadly their is still signs of the slimy substance and not that of a clear water like mucos. have you any suggestions if this is normal? Birds are execising well and cannot seem to find the problem. For the record there is an individual who pants slightly after flight but not for long. Any help would be greatly appreciated. yours in sport Andrew

question by: Andrew Spiteri

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, When pigeons have this mucus accumulation in their throats and there have been previous clinical examinations for canker and other, as you describe, and there have also been some treatments, than in most cases this is caused by herpes virus. This virus can not be treated with medication, only secundary infections can be dealt with. The birds should recover on their own. In a lot of cases a good herbal tea and water acidification can get the throats back to normal more quickly. Kind regards

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