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I live in Victoria, Aust. which has had an outbreak (the first time ever, I believe) of paramyxovirus in the past few months?

I live in Victoria, Aust. which has had an outbreak (the first time ever, I believe) of paramyxovirus in the past few months. A number of my pigeons have displayed the typical symptoms (neurological signs & distinct droppings). However at the same time a few other birds have become ill - displaying some symptoms not typical of paramyxovirus (as far as I'm aware) ie. slowed crop emptying, losing weight & occasional vomiting & looking unwell .. however the droppings still appear typical of paramyxovirus, together with lethargy & reluctance to move about - but NO neurological signs. So far 1 young bird displaying these symptoms has died (despite administering broad spectrum antibiotic Baytril) 2 other old birds are now presenting with the same symptoms. Could I be dealing with the same disease of paramyxovirus in both of these cases?

question by: Lora Stock

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

All these pigeons are most likely infected with the disease. Actually the swallowing problem usually is also a neurological problem - the nerve to regulate the swallowing muscles is damaged -. Also it is logical that the pigeons will get generally weaker because of the severe kidney damage.

As far as therapeutical possibilities, like already mentioned in other answers to this disease, you should consider as much as nutritional support as possible, but also just vaccinating the birds could be of help. Although this is not the general rule it could be of great help to cope with this infection. This must be some kind of homeotherapeutic effect.

Kind regards

A pigeon who is infected with paramyxovirus has entered to my loft and after about 15days later my pigeons started showing symptoms?

Hi... A pigeon who is infected with paramyxovirus has entered to my loft and after about 15days later my pigeons started showing symptons. So when i tested the pigeon i got to know that all of pigeon have infected the disease so i chose to move them from my loft and after few days i brought in some new pigeons but i saw that the new pigeons have also infected later i got to know that my loft is still full with bacteria and the disease of paramyxovirus. Now what shall i do to my loft? What kind of action should i take to my loft? Because the loft is full with the disease.

question by: Miraj Marlan

answer by: Dr Johan Van der Cruyssen / Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

First of all when have you vaccinated your pigeons against PMV?

When a pigeon is infected with PMV the only thing you can do is give supportive care. The PMV infects the kidneys and the nervous system wich causes watery droppings because of the drinking of lots of water and nervous symptoms. Resistance to other diseases such as coccidiosis and tricho is reduced.

The disease can last for 6 or more weeks. When you have pigeons with heavy symptoms it is best to eliminate these pigeons. After 6 weeks the shedding of the virus has stopped but nervous symptoms and the symptom of watery droppings may persist longer.

Supportive care: electrolytes, probiotics, vitamins for boosting the immunity.

Consult your vet if antibiotics are necessary. After a secondary bacterial infection has been diagnosed you can consider to give an antibiotic.

Keep in mind that there is also a notification obligation when your pigeons are infected with paramyxovirus.

Kind regards,

Dr. Johan Van der Cruyssen

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Dear Sir,

The PMV virus is indeed very resistent in its environment and stays virulent for months between 8° and 20° Celcius (but also lower temperatures) and it resists acid and alcalic solutions. You can desinfect the loft by using a propane gas burner (very effective but be prudent in using), other desinfectants can be formol, fenol or butylhydroxytolueen. Most other desinfectants are not effective enough.

Kind regards,

Ruben Lanckriet

Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite, from then on they suffer from different symptoms and death?

Hi Need Help Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite from then on they suffer all these symptoms: No Appetite watery droppings air in the Crop sack holding water in the Crop unable to eat corn if picked at some have swollen eyes some have swollen wing buts after 4 or 5 days unable to fly then no desire to live leading to death I have been to a English Vet but this has not helped... they put my birds on SYNULOX 1ML TO 3 PINTS NYSTATIN ON THE CORN BAYCOX AFTER TREATMENT My pigeons are still having problems with this so please reply asap ... Thanks for any advice given

question by: Andrew Bury

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

It would be advisable to treat the birds also for trichomoniasis (f.e. with ronidazole 400mg per liter water) and paratyphus (f.e. with enrofloxacine). Were the birds vaccinated for paramyxovirus, herpes and paratyphus? If not it could be wise to do so.

I cannot be sure of a diagnosis without seeing the birds, but there is a good chance by taking care of these diseases your problem will be solved.

The treatments you had to give, accounted only for candidiasis, streptococs and other bacteria (salmonella temporary) and coccidiosis.

Kind regards

Can you please tell me why my pigeons are having white watery droppings and then going light and dying?

hi, Can you please tell me why my pigeons are having white watery droppings and then going light and dying. It's only happening to some of them.. Will it happen to all of them if i dont cure it? Is there any thing i can do to stop this?...thanks for your support..

question by: timmy hennessy

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

It is advisable to let your birds be examined by an avian vet. Possibilities are paramyxovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites. Are your pigeons vaccinated/treated for paramyxo and/or paratyphus?

Kind regards

A 4 year old stock hen is twisting her neck. She has a full body with no signs of bad droppings or loss of weight and all other birds are healthy?

Please could you advise . A 4 year old stock hen is twisting her neck. She has a full body with no signs of bad droppings or sickness or loss of weight. In fact only for her neck she looks fine. She is in a stock loft and these birds never flyout nore is there any race loft close by. There is around 60 stock birds and all look fine . I dont vaccinate my stock birds.

question by: don barrett

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

From the information you give me, I would first think of a traumatic injury f.e. a bad fall, that is causing the nervous symptoms. Nevertheless it is still possible she is suffering from paramyxovirus infection or paratyphus. That is why it could be wise to vaccinate your stockbirds for paramyxovirus only to be sure and treat with antibiotics and vaccinate for paratyphus, this in accordance with your veterinarian.

Kind regards

Hi Sir about one year ago i bought a pigeons from Holland. It's in healthy condition but always has very watery droppings?

Hi Sir about one year ago i bought a pigeons from Holland. It was and it's still healthy and in excellent condition till now one year after. But during this whole year its droppings is green and very watery. I went to the vet to check this pigeons about 5 times. No signs of illness or some type of disease. But we still give the pigeon some type of intestinal balance ordered by the vet but still it's dropping is very very watery. The pigeons is in good health such as pink breast etc etc. I'm writing to you cause in my country there are no vets specializing in pigeons. My vet told me that it's maye be a metabolism problem or to change the feed such as avoid seeds and give him maize only or something else. What do you think pls?? Kind regards

question by: Franco

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

There could be a possibility the bird has had paramyxovirus when he was young. In that case there has been kidney damage and the bird always produces watery droppings. This doesn't give any problems for breeding.

There is also a possibility the bird is a paratyphus carrier, it means it carries the salmonella bacteria while seeming healthy. The bacteria could give chronic intestinal problems.

Also make sure the bird is free from parasites like worms and coccidiosis.

Kind regards

Do you think it is a good idea to vaccinate my pigeons against paramyxo during a period when they are sitting on eggs?

Dear sir, Do you think that it is a good idea to vaccinate my pigeons against paramyxo during a period when they are sitting on their eggs? Could it be a useful for youngsters? Or is it better to vaccinate them later? I usually vaccinate my pigeons in January before I put them together but this year I had no time because my bussines trip...Our racing season starts 23.4.2011 I paired my widowers today. Thank you very much. Milan

question by: Milan Heglas

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

Normally there is no problem to vaccinate the birds for paramyxo while sitting on eggs.

Kind regards

Mijn vliegduiven hebben veel waterige maar geen groene mest. Ik heb ook al 10 jonge dood?

Mijn vliegduiven hebben veel waterige maar geen groene mest. Ik heb ook al 10 jonge dood, deze waren 14 a 16 dagen oud wat kan ik hiertegen doen en geven en hoelang, sommige jonge kunnen niet rechtstaan. dank u

question by: Lars Haverals

answer by: Karlo Van Rompaey

Beste,

Waterige mest met sterfte van nestjongen wordt vaak veroorzaakt door E. Coli. Andere oorzaken zoals paratyfus, coccidiose, paramyxo, trichomonas of een intoxicatie kunnen echter niet uitgesloten worden. Het is daarom aangeraden om dit verder te laten onderzoeken. Controle van de oude duiven, van een staal uitwerpselen en autopsie van gestorven nestjongen door een dierenarts kunnen hier uitsluitsel geven over de oorzaak. In afwachting van de resultaten geef je electrolieten en mineralen ter ondersteuning. Ook start je best met een antibioticumkuur tegen E. Coli en secundaire infecties. Eens de resultaten van het onderzoek gekend zijn, kan de strategie in functie van de uiteindelijke diagnose aangepast worden.

My young birds are detoriating, symtoms are losing weight and light green (fresh leave color) watery dropping?

My young birds are detoriating. Symtoms are losing weight and light green (fresh leave color) watery dropping, in some cases white watery ( like diliute milk) dropping. Please advice. I had given them antibiotic (amoxillin) for 5 days they were doing fine. One day it rained, temperature drops and all of sudden they started the dropping mentioned above. they are no more active, not flying to their perches and sitting on the floor. 2 died already.

question by: Adil Sohail Mughal

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

A diagnostic examination of the birds by a veterinarian is important. With the symptoms you describe, there are some possibilities. It is important to know if there is/was any vomiting, problems flying or nervous problem. From the info I have from you I think mainly of adenovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites, perhaps paramyxovirus, streptococcus or another infection. There is also a possibility the young birds are weakened by the circovirus so any infection can cause severe problems, as this virus takes away the pigeon's immunity.

Kind regards

We have had problems with the paramyxovirus. Is it possible to have successful racing careers with these birds?

Dear sir, We write to you from England with a question about the Paramyxo virus, shortly after the youngbird season we noticed that a couple of our youngbirds that had returned from the last National race started to show watery droppings, after about two weeks this then spread through the whole youngbird team of about 80 pigeons they were half way through the moult at this time then they stopped moulting and the droppings became so bad that at one point the floor was like a swimming pool! We have to burn the floor and disinfect twice daily we have been giving probiotics and vitamins we feel the virus has past its peak as the birds are drinking less water but still far from normal. I would guess this has now been present for four weeks during this period they ceased to moult althought the last few days they are starting to moult again although I fear maybe this outbreak will have severe effects on the quality of feathering they grow. What we wish to know is it possible for birds who have in their lives contracted the Paramyxo virus to then go on to have successful racing careers? or are we wasting our time trying to race these birds in the future? This has troubled us greatly worrying about the future of our birds and we would really appreciate your opinion please. Kindest regards Ian

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answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

The paramyxovirus attacks mainly the kidneys of a pigeon. It is this kidney damage that determines whether the bird will be able to have a successfull racing career. Allthough I doubt all birds that have had the virus will be ever able to compete at the level they should, I also think a number of birds will be able to reach their normal racing capabilities. If the birds have had severe kidney damage it could take long before the birds have good droppings, even with the virus long gone. So the aspect of the droppings can give you an idea of the later preformance capability of the bird. It could help to vaccinate the birds an extra time for the disease.

Kind regards

If a pigeon had the Paramyxovirus, but then months passed and no symptoms are still showing, is it safe to put the bird with other pigeons?

Dear Sir, If a pigeon had the Paramyxovirus, but then months passed and no symptoms are still showing (its droppings are solid and nervous symptoms seem to have disappeared), is it safe to put it with the other pigeons or is it still a carrier? If the nervous symptoms do recur, does it mean that it still has the virus? Thanks, Kristian

question by: Kristian Abela

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir,

Normally the bird should be free of the virus. If the birds you put him with are vaccinated, there is absolutely no danger. If the bird gets nervous signs later on, there is still a possibility the bird has the paramyxovirus, but other infections like paratyphoid should also be considered.

Kind regards

In my country there is no pigeon vaccines available. However, I found pox and newcastle disease challenges, how to deal with these?

Dear Sir, In my country there is no pigeon vaccines available. However, I found pox and newcastle disease challenges, how to deal with these? There is many chicken vaccines available. Thank you

question by: Fredericht

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir,

The newcastle disease vaccines for chickens can be used with pigeons with some results but I would advise to vaccinate the birds twice a year. The La Sota vaccine for chickens in the drinking water has to be used 4 times a year (every 3 months). The pox virus is more difficult. If you don't have any pox vaccine for pigeons, you cannot take preventive measures for the disease. If there is an outbreak you can try to quarantine infected birds and try to control the mosquitos in the loft. Mosquitos are the most important infecting vector.

Kind regards

Graag had ik van u geweten of de inenting tegen paramixo invloed heeft op het rui-proces?

Beste, Graag had ik van u geweten of de inenting tegen paramixo invloed heeft op het rui-proces? Zou graag de kwekers inenten nog voor aanvang van de kweekperiode (1ste leg 2011) normaal zal dit rond 6 december zijn. Moet ik een bepaalde periode respecteren tussen inenting en samenzetten van de kweekkoppels? Alvast bedankt, David

question by: David

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Beste David,

De paramyxo-inenting heeft onder normale omstandigheden zeer weinig bijwerkingen. Het ruiproces wordt er zeer weinig tot niet door beïnvloed. Ik zou wel adviseren om de enting minstens 2 weken voor koppeldatum uit te voeren.

Vriendelijke groeten

A pigeon was found a few days back after heavy rain, thunder and lightning. It shows signs of being without balance?

A pigeon was found a few days back after heavy rain, thunder and lightning sitting under a tree. It walks with a tottering gait, goes round and round, head retracted and dropping to one side unsteady and shivering. loss of appetite / thirst. Does not eat on its own. When it sleeps the head almost touches the ground. doesn't want to be fed forcibly. excreta watery with large amount of white portions small amount of greenish. chest region seems swollen. seems to be very active when we want to catch it seem to be very quick, but when escapes from hands and lands on the ground loses balance. now the excreta contains a little greenish( slightly to the darker side) matter and water. no outer injury is visible.

question by: debadutta

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir, This is most probably a pigeon with pigeon paramyxovirus. This virus attacks kidneys and the nervous system. If the pigeon doesn't eat or isn't able to eat, it will probably die. The disease is in a lot of countries controlled by law, which means sick birds have to be euthanised or be kept in quarantine for a period of time. Kind regards

I have a 7 years old breeding cock that seems to have an intestinal infection from what I have been told?

Dear friends, I have a 7 years old breeding cock that seems to have an intestinal infection from what I have been told. His droppings are watery, loose, with light greenish filaments of poop. It's like a green spalsh on the floor, without a bad smell. I don't think is Paratyphus (Salmonellosis) because I have treat him 5 days with Furazolidon (without any result, unfortunatelly). A vet adviced me to begin another treatment (with a Romanian product, Enteroguard), but the pigeon vomits all the pills as soon as I slip them on his throat. The bird looks pretty well, he's active, his wattles are white, without any discharges, his throat is clear, without any slimes, his legs are warm, the feathers are OK. One could tell he is in good condition. But he lacks appetite (he eats a few small grains) and lost his body weight and chest muscles. I bought this bird 4 months ago, his situation didn't change at all since then, and I suspect a former infection with PMV. Could you please give me an advice? I would have sent you a few pictures with his droppings, but I cannot attach them to this message.

question by: Andrei - Silviu

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, Make sure the bird is free from parasitic infections f.e. worms, coccidiosis and trichomonas. Make sure the bird is also vaccinated for paramyxo. If the bird was infected with paramyxo in the past, it is possible the bird will keep making to much urine ( not to be confused with diarrhoea caused by enteritis ) , because the irreversible kidney damage can cause the kidneys not being able to make the solid uric acid. Therefore the birds keeps having watery droppings, even though he is not sick anymore. That doesn't mean he can't breed well. Such a bird is in my opinion handicaped for good racing results. Kind regards

Welke zijn de gevolgen bij duiven die (zwaar) besmet geraakten met het :- herpesvirus - paramyxovirus - adenovirus?

Welke zijn de gevolgen op kweek- en sportief vlak bij duiven die (zwaar) besmet geraakten met het : - herpesvirus - paramyxovirus - adenovirus . Mijn aanvoelen is dat hierover weinig bekend is én misschien zwaar onderschat wordt? Met dank voor de toelichtingen.

question by: yvan mouton

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Beste, De gevolgen kunnen min of meer groot zijn ngl. de graad van besmetting. Uw vermoeden is terecht dat dit vaak onderschat wordt. Voor de verschillende aandoeningen die u aanhaalt, zijn de gevolgen wel verschillend. Ik dien ook op te merken dat de graad van ernst van ziekte bij jonge duiven heel dikwijls sterk afhangt van de aanwezigheid van circovirus en de schade die dit virus aanricht aan het immuunsysteem (vernietigen van de zogenaamde B-cellen, dit zijn de cellen die instaan voor de aanmaak van antistoffen). - Het herpesvirus kan zorgen voor een ernstige aantasting van voornamelijk de lever bij jonge duiven tot de leeftijd van 4 maanden. Hoewel lever in staat is te regenereren, kan men zich terecht afvragen of een duif die ernstig aangetast geweest is als jonge duif nog wel in staat is dezelfde stofwisselingscapaciteit te genereren. De lever is de stofwisselingsfabriek bij uitstek en voert heel wat nuttige functies uit tijdens een inspanning zoals een wedstrijdvlucht. Zeker als de afstand van een duivenvlucht groter wordt, is een duif die niet meer de volle 100% levercapaciteit bezit, in het nadeel. Het kan zelfs mijns inziens het verschil betekenen tussen al dan niet terug thuis geraken. Uit de praktijk is dit ook gebleken bij duiven die ooit als jonge duif vergiftigd geweest zijn met leverschade. Dit is ook logisch aangezien de lever zowel energie kan opslaan onder de vorm van vet en glycogeen, als tijdens een vlucht stoffen kan 'recycleren' met vrijkomen van nieuwe energie (dit is bijv. het geval met melkzuur waaruit opnieuw glucose gevormd wordt in de lever). Een duif die slechts 90% levercapaciteit bezit, kan onmogelijk hetzelfde prestatieniveau bereiken op grotere afstanden in vergelijking met een duif met 100% levercapaciteit. Naar kweek toe ben ik van mening dat die invloed veel geringer is m.a.w. voor de kweek zijn deze duiven mijns inziens wel nog volwaardig inzetbaar. - Het paramyxovirus is een andere zaak. Dit virus zal voornamelijk de nieren en zenuwen gaan aantasten. Hoewel de invloed verschillend is, is deze daarom niet minder gering. Het spreekt vanzelf dat een duif met een lagere niercapaciteit soms ook minder zal presteren. Zolang de nierschade binnen de perken is gebleven, kan dit nog meevallen, maar opnieuw zullen grotere afstanden meer problemen geven. Bij een langdurige inspanning gaan er water en electrolyten verloren, bij slecht werkende nieren nog meer. Zo'n duif zal dus sneller water en electrolyten nodig hebben. Indien de zenuwen aangetast waren, kan het soms een hele tijd duren vooraleer de zenuwsymptomen verdwijnen (tot maanden). Eenmaal de zenuwsymptomen verdwenen zijn, is deze duif volledig hersteld -op gebied van zenuwstelsel weliswaar-. De reden van dit traag herstel heeft te maken met de trage regeneratiecapaciteit van een zenuw. Zolang het zenuwcellichaam niet aangetast is, kan een zenuw teruggroeien, maar dit verloopt wel zeer traag. Naar kweek toe heeft het ooit aangetast geweest zijn met paramyxovirus heel weinig nadeel. Naar wedstrijden toe heb ik sterk mijn twijfels. - Het adenovirus is in feite hetzelfde verhaal als voor herpes. Ook hier kan een ernstige leveraantasting gebeurd zijn en ook hier kan een duif daar levenslang de gevolgen van meedragen. Ik ben eveneens van mening dat de invloed op wedstrijden veel groter is dan op kweekcapaciteit. Bij adenovirose kan er naast de leveraantasting ook een darmaantasting gebeurd zijn. Ik denk persoonlijk dat de invloed van deze darmaantasting veel geringer is voor latere prestaties dan de leveraantasting, omdat darm zeer snel kan regenereren. Met vriendelijke groeten

Pigeons have come down with severe disentry in the past two weeks, watery droppings mainly clear liquid, deaths within days?

Pigeons have come down with severe disentry in the past two weeks, watery droppings mainly clear liquid deaths within days for some y/birds dying in the nests, now disposed of. It's now entered the young bird team with death occuring same symptoms. Treating with a penicilin antibiotic and electrolyte under advice all this within two weeks. What would the outcome be of survival for the birds or is it better to dispose of any visible sick as they appear. I must say the first birds to go down with symptoms are prisoner birds which do not go out. Is there any further things i could do to try and stem this, currently awaiting tests on two birds. Any advice welcome, thanks.

question by: mick brown

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir, From the information I got from you, the most probable cause for the symptoms seems to be paramyxovirus. I would vaccinate the healthy and sick birds. Although mostly vaccination of sick birds is not recommended for most diseases, with paramyxo it can be of help to diminish the mortality rate. Try to get sick birds in quarantine as soon as possible. For the rest await the test results and follow the advice from your veterinarian. Kind regards

My birds have been dying and had diarrhoea from an unknown disease?

Hi, I have myself a real dilemma, first my breeders about 5 weeks ago started having very bad diarrea so what I did was worm them with ascapilla whilst it was dark so they dont feed it to the young in the nest, then treated them for cocci canker with a 2in1 mix amprolium and rinadazol this kind of cured the dropping to solid again with the help of black minerals, then out of the blue thefirst two young I bred this year atleast 4 months old fluffed up one day and next day dead, this started a chain next squabs in the nest were getting abandoned by parents and just dying, then had an breeding hen fluff up and dead and a few other breeders some was drinking excessive water and when holding them all the water come out all yellow looking and smelling fowl and they died instantly. Some of the birds would be gasping for air near death only one after recovery had a slight neck problem, one other bird had neck shivers after this I lost a few yearling same thing fluffed up one day and dead the next. Sent the droppings to one vet who confirmed he found a bit of hair worm but nothing else - have contacted another but I don't have much faith in the vets I do not vaccinate for paramycso virus however have bought the vaccine now - one question also is do I vaccinate now even though the birds appear healthy as all the bad ones dead however still have wet droppings or wait a month until everthing clears up as a friend has said? Second question is some of the droppings are paramycso looking i.e. all water and small bit of green faceas but of the birds that was dying it was a yellow with no green at all and hardly any mass? I lost a few breeders aswell I am reluctant to try anything as don't want to further damage them some of the young also had less developed feathers if this helps? I am stuck as to what the problem was as can paramycso really cause instant death with no neck twisting and shall I vaccinate them now even though they are not fully well even though most of them look healthy??

question by: Bradford Rollers UK

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, Some of the symptoms are indeed indicative for paramyxo virus. Nevertheless, as you mentioned yellow diarrhoea with birds before they die, I also suspect adenovirus type II. Yellow diarrhoea is a sign the liver is very badly harmed and that's the case with adenovirus type II. The virus even completely destroys the liver. With adenovirus II, there is 100% mortality, this means that if a bird gets sick it will certainly die. Luckely not all the birds get sick. It is not clear why one bird gets sick and the other not. The fact that sick birds also could survive on your loft, indicates adenovirus type II can't be the only problem. It is very possible that the watery dropping are caused by the hairworm infestation and/or paramyxo. The bad feathers could be an indication the young birds are also infected with circovirus. This virus attacks immune cells of the young bird (under 4 months old), this makes them vulnerable for all kinds of infections. It is a major problem this year in Belgium with a lot of deaths in young birds. They can die from ordinary infections like canker, but also from paratyphoid, adenovirus, etc... Certainly do not underestimate the hairworm infestation as it can also be cause of deaths. As for the vaccination for paramyxo, it is advisable to also do this as soon as possible. Kind regards

Hi, I have 3 stock birds which went sick. They are having very liqiud faeces which smell very bad. Baytril doesn't help.

Hi, I have 3 stock birds which went sick. They are having very liqiud faeces which smell very bad. they are on a Baytril course since 5 days with no effect at all. I have separate the birds from others. They also drink more than usual and they have lost pectoral muscle mass aswell. All the time they are puffed up without any glint in their eyes. I think it is a bad situation. No faecel smeares have been done yet and no other tests. What could be the disease and treatment please? I have also given the birds 3 drops of baytril directly in the mouth last monday with little or no effect. Any suggestions please? Thanks. Joe.

question by: Joseph Scicluna

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, You should consult a vet as soon as possible. There are some possibilities for the symptoms. One of the possibilities certainly could be paramyxovirus, in which case your other birds also could be in danger. Other possibilities are parasites, adenovirus type II, yeast infection, etc. Kind regards

Recently in our area there is a out break of paramyxo disease, but unfortunately there is no paramixo vaccins in our country?

kind doctor, recently in our area there is a out break of paramyxo disease. but unfortunately there is no paramixo vaccins in our country. so may i give poultry raniket(lasota) to them? please give advise to me. thanks

question by: M. Aathik

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam/Sir, If there is no pigeon vaccine available, you could use vaccines for poultry, but then I would at least vaccinate twice with one month in between and perhaps even repeat the vaccination at least two times a year. Kind regards

I have some pigeons with paramixovirus with nervous symptomatology that does not disappear not even after two months?

Kind doctors, I have some pigeons with paramixovirus with nervous symptomatology that does not disappear not even after two months, I would like to know if is it true that in the event in which the nervous symptoms will not disappear these pigeons will remain always contagious for the other pigeons, if this is not true as I hope, how much time have to pass before that the sick pigeons will be no more contagious for the others, thank you GABRIELLA

question by: gabriella urciuoli

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Madam / Sir, If the birds show these signs already during two months, the virus will probably be completely gone. The nervous signs, however, can remain for a long period (months). Nevertheless it is possible that the signs still will disappear. Even if they don't the pigeon is most likely not infected anymore with paramyxovirus. The reason for the long period of the time untill disappearing of the nervous signs, lays in the healing of the nerves, which can take very long. If the cell with nucleus in the central nervous tissue is unharmed, the nerve can grow back, but this goes very slowly. Kind regards

What is the difference between paramyxo, salmonella and parathyphoid?

What is the difference between paramyxo,salmonella and parathyphoid?

question by: hennie wessels

answer by: Dr Vincent Schroeder

Paramyxo is a viral infection. The symptomes are bad droppings (water) and eventually nervous symptoms. You can vaccinate against it (colombovac, nobilis). Salmonella and paratyphoid are the same sickness. Paratyphoid is caused by salmonella. It’s a bacterial infections and antibiotics are working against paratyphoid. You can also vaccinate against salmonella. Kind regards

I have an old bird who this morning has a twisting head, he was injected for PMV and treated with Baytril?

I have an old bird who this morning has a twisting head, he was jabed for PMV and treated with baytril in nov 09 for 14 days.I have 4 ybs from him with no problems,he is isolated at the moment what is the problem and is there a cure or should i dispose of him ?

question by: Tony Boyle

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, Paramyxovirus is the most common cause for nervous problems and although the bird was vaccinated, there is still a real possibility it is paramyxovirus. It seems that vaccination isn't always 100% effective, especially for the new paramyxovirus strains which are more adapted to pigeons (and less to other birds). This also depends on the kind of vaccine. Vaccines developed from pigeon specific paramyxovirus strains seem to be more protective. It is possible that the bird heals from the paramyxo, but it takes a long time (weeks - months) untill the nervous symptoms disappear (if the nerves grow back, this goes very slowly). An extra vaccination can be of help. Sometimes paratyphoid can give nervous problems and in exceptional cases other septicaemic infections can give these symptoms. In that case antibiotics are the right treatment. There is a small possibility the bird has had a trauma. Kind regards

My young birds have watery droppings, look dull, their crop is full of water, some have tilted heads.

Dear Sir; Recently my young birds are having the following symptoms; 1- Do not want to train. 2- Looks dull. 3- their crop seems full of water which is yellow and smell very bad. 4- 1 or 2 days then dead. 5- Clear wattery droppings. 6- Some of them that didn't die have tilted heads but I beleive it is not paramyxo virus but I am not sure. In my place we do not have any facility to check pigeon droppings (no vets to diagonis pigeon problems). I Had to kill 20 of my 23 young birds to eleminate the problem. Please advise what we should do if we face disease knowing we cannot check the droppings and what was the disease ??

question by: Ahmed El Adawy

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, The symptoms clearly are indicative for paramyxovirus. Possibly other diseases like canker are complexing the problem. So I would advise you to certainly vaccinate the birds for paramyxo and in your case vaccinate them twice with 3 or 4 weeks in between. It is good to vaccinate your young birds as early as possible. At the same time preventive measures can be taken for canker, worms and paratyphus if you are not able to let your pigeons be checked. Kind regards

why shouldn't you give the paramyxovaccination and paratyphusvaccination at the same time?

why shouldn't you give the paramyxovaccination and paratyphusvaccination at the same time?

question by: John Williamson

answer by: Ruben Lanckriet

Dear Sir, It is not advisable because when it is both injected in the neck there is a much greater possibility to have ulcerations in the neck. This also depends on the kind of vaccines. There have been some better results with one vaccine in the neck and one in the leg, but this is not the most advised place to inject the bird. Kind regards

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