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Dear friend,
I have been flying the desmet/matthyjs birds for several years now! Got them
from a friend quite a few years ago! They have been tearing up our area for several
years now, many of 300 and 500 mile races! Even on some short races!
I was wondering if you can help me find more info on the history of this bloodline? I would appreciate it!
thank you for your time!
Dave Tracey

 

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Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Tell him to contact Roger directly.

 
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35 posts since 15/03/2006
Location: Denver, Colorado

There is a nice article, in English, that is on the website at Siegel pigeon supplies. Also there is some history and information in the Van Sallen's book (??)

What line is flying best for you. Have you been crossing them? If so, with what are you finding the best performances?

Austrailia has a good supply of these birds down from Eijerkamps 888, Tame Rik, etc. Check out Phils Lofts.

Roger's newer bloodline with the old vander wegen lines of Ole Dofferje has done well. Not many in the US, but there are some smaller lofts having good success in the one loft races with crosses but not saying much about them.
They are a tough line of birds that will add toughness to a quicker line such as the Houbens. They can withstand the headwinds and heat, especially in the plains of the US where there is not much water holes.
Good Luck

 
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I have one Desmett Matthys cock in the loft, and he is a goldmine. He is still filling his eggs at 16 years of age. Two years ago he bred me a useful cock for my race team, this year this bird missed champion bird by one ypm and the 8th placed champion bird is his grandson. Two weeks ago one of his grandkids won the 500 for a friend of mine in the Staten Island club. Nearly all our best birds have this old guy in their predigree (Except our Van Reets of course)

Steve paid $25 for him in 1998 at a berevement sale, his sire and dam were bred by Toni Melucci

Linda
Red Rose Lofts
Oregon USA

 
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Yardie

I wonder if our paths have crossed, at either The Spirit of Colorado or The Highlander.

 
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Location: Denver, Colorado

Hello Linda:

I do not think our paths have crossed but I do know a bit about your Desmet cock. Incidentally, check the barcelona race on the weekend. Roger I think took 5 or 6th! After all these years the blood is still strong.

I think I know a bit about your cock bird. If I'm not mistaken the grand sire came from Tony Mulucci that was crossed onto another bird by the original owner. I believe you have a son of this pairing, if I'm not mistaken. My line consist of the old and new blood of the Desmets. They are tough as nail. There is a small small group of people in this country that crosses them for the local races and are doing very well. I have acquired some Van Reets that have their roots in your birds, ie Leyton Express. I just got them this year. Wasn't able to get much from them because of the timing. I have not crossed them on the Desmets yet, but that is a thought.

I love my desmets. I'm trying one cross on an old Clarence Morris Bekaert. Got only one, but what a diamond! Will see if the cross works. I am more successful using various desmet crosses. I take the newer line from the Gullit line, which has the old van der wegen blood in the background, cross them onto the old Kopen line, and am now trying an out cross back to the jan aarden line of the Invincible Spirit. Will see if I can get something that will withstand the harshness of the course.

Another cross I'm trying this year is with Roger Vereckee's Felix line. I believe this line also has a Desmet influence. They should also do well with the Houbens from CBS loft. They are a bit different than the Clausing Houbens, which has a bit more Desmet influence. See the Victor Van Salen's book. I can go on and on with this marvelous line. Too bad they are being pushed out to the side for the newer blood.

Thanks Linda. Hope to see you guys at the Spirit of Colorado.

 
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Unfortunately we won't be in Denver Labour Day weekend, no one told us The spirit was being flown after Phils passing,once we found out, it was too late as we had sent all our futurity birds out.

I don't normally cross the Van reets, I like to fly them straight and I don't normally take birds for the young bird team off the racing loft BUT we do have one Van Reet?Matthys cross, I normally give the birds away the race team raise before the season, but two years ago there were some that I liked the look of and put them on my young bird team. I don't want you to think I'm boasting, but out of the top 10 champion birds in the club I took 6 and three were the birds I took from the racing loft in 2006, the Reet/Matthys cross was one of them and the other two were Barker Patriot Janssen Crosses. The bird who took 2nd spot was a son from my Matthys Cock Studley paired with an 019 Janssen hen (Dam of our WTCM winner).

I would love to get some more Matthys stock, to cross into the children of Studley I have stockpiled, but finding the right ones can be difficult.

We had one Morris Bekaert left when we moved to Oregon and we sent her to a friend over on the coast who has quite a few Bekaerts.

Good luck with the Van reets

 
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It's amazing to me that my initial response was to a Mr. Dave Tracy's inquiry on the chat site, but as of yet he has not responded. Maybe Mr. Nichalos, I think one of the site's moderator, can get him back to join the chat. He indicated his Desmets are "burning up the skies"! I would love to know what line's and crosses he's using. What his course speeds are like and at what distances, etc.

Linda, like you I normally do not cross my Van Reets. My line is along the Leprechaun. The only son I had, died last year from some weird complication. But he left me with some tremendous sons. Because of their background I keep them close to the janssen/van loons combination and am trying them on my meulemans. I have two other lines from Frank's End and your line. I'm not really building a loft full of them, but hopefully next year I'll have time to try them. I'll wait until the fall to see how they will fit into my Leprechaun line. As for right now, they are just on the outside looking in, if you know what I mean.

I have several lines of the Desmets, one line is along Roger's newer line. I know of only a couple people in this country having this line. One fella I know has a son and a daughter off his Barcelona Placed bird. Same line, the Lundrup, Gulli, Ekimov. All these crossed back unto his older base of the Kapoen/Klaren line. However, I do not know of anyone talking about the lines or trying to sell them. This fella keeps a stock of all Roger's lines, but do not sell or give any away. He just loves his birds but I fly them. I know they do well in the futurities, but no one is really publishing this. They are very strong in the Ohio-Penn futurities, one I know won big money in the Jersey futurity last year, lots of money, etc. and I can go on, but......

Well Linda, too bad you guys aren't coming to CO this summer. Another hot one to test the Desmets! You know what this course has, Hot, Dry, no water holes, Head AND Cross winds, slow speeds. No TAILWINDS! This is a real test for the birds here. Not many so call family of birds dominate. The Desmets thrive in these conditions and when taken away and tried on other courses, that becomes an easier task.

Good Luck

 
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You may be pleasently surprised as to how the Van Reets perform on your race course, contrary to public belief they perform very well in headwinds. I won a concourse in WA at 791 ypm with a Van Reet hen. We have had races round the 800/900 ypm and the Van Reets have always come good for me. Last year we had three smash young bird races and in all three my first bird was a Van Reet.

I always say when the going gets tough the tough get going.

 
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Linda:
I use to think this was the case when my inbred family of Meulemans were tearing up everything up through 200 in ybs. However, when I went back and look, I noticed that I was breeding a large amount of them compared to the other lines!

So, to some extent, I believe that the results will be skewed to reflect how many Van Reets were on the team vs the others. What I mean if you entered 10 and 70% were Van Reets, then you should have a greater chance of clocking Van Reets! If you are consistently seeing otherwise, then the Van Reets would be suspect. I'm not saying they aren't tough enough for this course. They are as good as they come that is why I mentioned my Leprechaun family. I would not be keeping them if they weren't doing much on this course, not only for me but for others.

Another example are the Gabys. I spent a bunch on them, and knowing the Gaby line, they are mainly a linebred family. Sometime not even a true linebred. But I have tried them on a lot of different lines without success. Gaby prides himself on his selection of birds to be strong against the headwinds and heat, but I have not gotten this result from them. I still have not given up on them, but my Gaby stock has been in a decline over the past 2 years. I do get some decent results when they are crossed on my Desmets but then you ask yourself if it's the Gaby line doing the punch or is it the Desmets?

Again, I will probably see how your line of Van Reets blend in next year and also if they fly straight. Also it also depends on handling. I think!

By the way, did you get any info. on Studly? I would like to see even a partial pedigree. Let me know.

Thanks

 
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Yardie

The only information I got on old Studley is what I gleaned by word of mouth from Tony Melucci himself and we all know Tony does not issue pedigrees very often.