 Dr Boddaert Wim |  Dr Gyselbrecht Carlo |  Dr Lanckriet Ruben |  Dr Lanneau Pascal |  Dr Schroeder Vincent |  Dr Van Der Cruyssen Johan |  Dr Van Rompaey Karlo |  Dr Werquin Guy |
I live in Victoria, Aust. which has had an outbreak (the first time ever, I believe) of paramyxovirus in the past few months?
Dear Madam/Sir,
All these pigeons are most likely infected with the disease. Actually the swallowing problem usually is also a neurological problem - the nerve to regulate the swallowing muscles is damaged -. Also it is logical that the pigeons will get generally weaker because of the severe kidney damage.
As far as therapeutical possibilities, like already mentioned in other answers to this disease, you should consider as much as nutritional support as possible, but also just vaccinating the birds could be of help. Although this is not the general rule it could be of great help to cope with this infection. This must be some kind of homeotherapeutic effect.
Kind regards
Beste, ik had een vraag ivm met dun groene waterachtig mest tijdens de kweek?
Beste,
Tijdens het azen van graanjongen drinken de duiven veel. Hierdoor kan het zijn dat de uitwerpselen aan de waterige kant zijn. Wanneer het echter diarree betreft die gepaard gaat met conditieverlies en/of andere ziektesymptomen (braken, gewichtsverlies, verminderde eetlust, enz…) moet je rekening houden dat er meer aan de hand is (wormen, paratyfus...) Verdergaand op jouw verhaal (waterige mest maar niet ziek) is het belangrijk om voldoende mineralen te verschaffen en enkele dagen electrolieten in het water te doen.
Voor de zekerheid laat je best een meststaal analyseren om een eventuele wormbesmetting uit te sluiten.
Sportieve groeten
A pigeon who is infected with paramyxovirus has entered to my loft and after about 15days later my pigeons started showing symptoms?
Dear Sir,
First of all when have you vaccinated your pigeons against PMV?
When a pigeon is infected with PMV the only thing you can do is give supportive care. The PMV infects the kidneys and the nervous system wich causes watery droppings because of the drinking of lots of water and nervous symptoms. Resistance to other diseases such as coccidiosis and tricho is reduced.
The disease can last for 6 or more weeks. When you have pigeons with heavy symptoms it is best to eliminate these pigeons. After 6 weeks the shedding of the virus has stopped but nervous symptoms and the symptom of watery droppings may persist longer.
Supportive care: electrolytes, probiotics, vitamins for boosting the immunity.
Consult your vet if antibiotics are necessary. After a secondary bacterial infection has been diagnosed you can consider to give an antibiotic.
Keep in mind that there is also a notification obligation when your pigeons are infected with paramyxovirus.
Kind regards,
Dr. Johan Van der Cruyssen
---------------------
Dear Sir,
The PMV virus is indeed very resistent in its environment and stays virulent for months between 8° and 20° Celcius (but also lower temperatures) and it resists acid and alcalic solutions. You can desinfect the loft by using a propane gas burner (very effective but be prudent in using), other desinfectants can be formol, fenol or butylhydroxytolueen. Most other desinfectants are not effective enough.
Kind regards,
Ruben Lanckriet
Pigeon found very ill with yellow runny droppings. Refuses to eat or drink. What medicine to give and at what dose?
Dear Madam/Sir,
The symptoms indicate a very severe liver damage. It could very well be this pigeon is infected with adenovirus type II, but a diagnosis can only be given through inspection and examination by an (avian) vet. If it is adenovirus II, this pigeon is lost and cannot be treated. All birds that get ill from this disease, also die (100% mortality).
For other causes a veterinary examination of the bird is necessary.
Kind regards
During Breeding Season, all of the young's droppings are very wet. I mean soupy, sloppy wet. This has happened for the last four years?
Dear Sir,
The symptoms that you are giving are typically for a bacterial infection in the nest. It could be an E-coli infection or a streptococcus bovis infection. I think if you give them during the period that they are having youngsters in the nest a treatment of 8 days with f.e. products based on amoxicilline ( f.e. Amoxicure of Oropharma ) the problem will be solved. The best way is to start with the treatment when the youngsters are just out of the egg end then during 8 days giving this product. Directly there after you give them for a few days some muti-vitamin supplement . Afterwards it would be better the give some acids in the drinking water to make that the parents are not drinking to much and that they are not giving to much water to their youngsters in the nest.
Of course it would be better if we had the possibility to examinate some of the sick youngsters and to make a diagnosis to be 100 % sure of the problems and to make if necessary a antibiogram to be sure which antibiotic is working.
Best Regards
Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite, from then on they suffer from different symptoms and death?
Dear Sir,
It would be advisable to treat the birds also for trichomoniasis (f.e. with ronidazole 400mg per liter water) and paratyphus (f.e. with enrofloxacine). Were the birds vaccinated for paramyxovirus, herpes and paratyphus? If not it could be wise to do so.
I cannot be sure of a diagnosis without seeing the birds, but there is a good chance by taking care of these diseases your problem will be solved.
The treatments you had to give, accounted only for candidiasis, streptococs and other bacteria (salmonella temporary) and coccidiosis.
Kind regards
For the past few years I have experienced problems with Salmonella in my loft. This year my young birds showed serious side-effects after vaccination?
Dear Sir,
This is indeed a problem that occurs more with the live paratyphus vaccines but can also occur with dead vaccines. It means that the birds were already infected with Salmonella before the vaccination. The live vaccines are already a serious immunity challenge on their own. If there is a virulent Salmonella present, it can result in serious side-effects, in other words it is an outbreak of the disease itself. That is why if you vaccinate with live vaccines you should certainly do a 10 to 14 day antibiotic treatment before vaccination. But also with dead vaccines a treatment is indicated when there are problems with paratyphus. Certainly the first vaccination it is absolutely necessary. For the booster vaccinations the treatment is not always necessary. With dead vaccines you can do the injection also during the antibiotic treatment.
I doubt these pigeons will be able to become normal healthy pigeons and be able to perform on the level they were genetically able to.
Kind regards
Can you please tell me why my pigeons are having white watery droppings and then going light and dying?
Dear Madam/Sir,
It is advisable to let your birds be examined by an avian vet. Possibilities are paramyxovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites. Are your pigeons vaccinated/treated for paramyxo and/or paratyphus?
Kind regards
Since splitting my pigeons the cock birds droppings have become wet?
Dear SIr,
Separating the pigeons gives some extra stress, and this can give droppings that become more wet than they usual are. I suppose al things were fine if they still were coupled?
If you want to be 100 % sure, a health check up from some pigeons, together with the examination of the droppings would give you more certainty.
If everything is fine, you can give them products such as Sedochol or Ecuchol, this will help the droppings become better.
Don’t hesitate to contact me for more info,
Regards
My this years young birds have come down with a serious case of young bird sickness?
Dear Sir,
Young bird sickness is caused by an adenovirus typical for pigeons (type I). This virus primary causes dammage to the liver and intestines. The liver and intestinal inflammation causes diarrhoea. The hepatitis causes also the vomiting and the not digesting of food. In a lot of cases other agents such as Escherichia coli (a bacteria) or hexamita (protozoön) takes advantage of the situation and causes more intestinal inflammation and diarrhoea. E. coli is normally present in the intestines of ALL pigeons. There is no such thing as getting rid of E. coli. This is the same for other bacteria like staphylococs, streptococs, etc... There is no treatment against the adenovirus although I have seen that pigeons vaccinated for paratyphus are less susceptible for the disease (and all kinds of diseases). Off course you can treat for the secundary infections (treatment for E. coli and hexamita) after clinical examination of the birds and exclusion of other possible infections. If the antibiotics do not help, it could be wise to do an antibiogram of the E. coli as there is a tremendous antibiotic resistance rate in E. coli. At the same time it is wise to give light digestible food and perhaps also a liver protection like sedochol, biochol or...
Kind regards
Hi Sir about one year ago i bought a pigeons from Holland. It's in healthy condition but always has very watery droppings?
Dear Madam/Sir,
There could be a possibility the bird has had paramyxovirus when he was young. In that case there has been kidney damage and the bird always produces watery droppings. This doesn't give any problems for breeding.
There is also a possibility the bird is a paratyphus carrier, it means it carries the salmonella bacteria while seeming healthy. The bacteria could give chronic intestinal problems.
Also make sure the bird is free from parasites like worms and coccidiosis.
Kind regards
I have 2 pigeons with watery droppings. They fly OK and eat normally but they take in too much water?
Dear Sir,
It is very much possible these birds just are drinking too much because of nervousness and stress. Cocks on widowhood, especially when they are speed birds, tend to show this polydipsia (too much drinking). Mostly when they are coupled with their hen, the symptoms disappear. Normally they should not have these wet droppings during the night. If they have, it could be wise to let them be checked by a veterinarian.
Kind regards
Sinds een half jaar heb ik problemen met duiven die o.a. niet meer kunnen vliegen of scheef vliegen?
Beste,
Hoewel streptococcen een oorzaak of een complicatie kunnen zijn voor uw probleem, zou ik toch eveneens paratyphus niet uitsluiten. Ik zou u aanraden om naast een volledige amoxicilline-kuur in samenspraak met uw dierenarts (dit is zeker zonder probleem te verkrijgen), ook een paratyphus behandeling uitvoeren mét dubbele inenting! Indien de problemen verder aanslepen of als u nu meer uitsluitsel wil, is zeker autopsie van zieke duiven aangewezen.
Sportieve groeten
Eén van onze duiven heeft waarschijnlijk streptococcen en heeft een kuur van ca 7 dagen gehad van de dierenarts?
Beste Marjolijn,
Indien het werkelijk alleen streptococcen zou zijn, verwacht ik niet deze evolutie. Meestal is de behandeling voor streptococcen heel dankbaar. Vandaar dat ik u zou aanraden om in overleg met uw dierenarts ook een paratyfus behandeling en bij voorkeur ook vaccinatie uit te voeren. Probeer zeker ook alle parasitaire oorzaken uit te sluiten door onderzoek indien dit nog niet gebeurd is.
Sportieve groeten
Mijn vliegduiven hebben veel waterige maar geen groene mest. Ik heb ook al 10 jonge dood?
Beste,
Waterige mest met sterfte van nestjongen wordt vaak veroorzaakt door E. Coli. Andere oorzaken zoals paratyfus, coccidiose, paramyxo, trichomonas of een intoxicatie kunnen echter niet uitgesloten worden. Het is daarom aangeraden om dit verder te laten onderzoeken. Controle van de oude duiven, van een staal uitwerpselen en autopsie van gestorven nestjongen door een dierenarts kunnen hier uitsluitsel geven over de oorzaak. In afwachting van de resultaten geef je electrolieten en mineralen ter ondersteuning. Ook start je best met een antibioticumkuur tegen E. Coli en secundaire infecties. Eens de resultaten van het onderzoek gekend zijn, kan de strategie in functie van de uiteindelijke diagnose aangepast worden.
My young birds are detoriating, symtoms are losing weight and light green (fresh leave color) watery dropping?
Dear Madam/Sir,
A diagnostic examination of the birds by a veterinarian is important. With the symptoms you describe, there are some possibilities. It is important to know if there is/was any vomiting, problems flying or nervous problem. From the info I have from you I think mainly of adenovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites, perhaps paramyxovirus, streptococcus or another infection. There is also a possibility the young birds are weakened by the circovirus so any infection can cause severe problems, as this virus takes away the pigeon's immunity.
Kind regards
I have some sick birds and don't know what is wrong with them. when they fly to the perch , they breath hard, some have bad droppings.
Dear Madam/Sir,
There is a possibility that your birds are coping with the pigeon specific salmonella or paratyphus. It could explain the symptoms you describe. Nevertheless there are also some other diseases or combination of diseases that can give the symptoms you describe. In such cases it could be interesting to let a sick bird be necropsied and/or to let do a full examination and blood tests to find out what could be wrong.
If you have no possibility to let your birds be examined by an avian (pigeon) vet, you can try by giving antibiotics for paratyphus and vaccinate the birds immediately after that.
Kind regards
We have had problems with the paramyxovirus. Is it possible to have successful racing careers with these birds?
Dear Sir,
The paramyxovirus attacks mainly the kidneys of a pigeon. It is this kidney damage that determines whether the bird will be able to have a successfull racing career. Allthough I doubt all birds that have had the virus will be ever able to compete at the level they should, I also think a number of birds will be able to reach their normal racing capabilities. If the birds have had severe kidney damage it could take long before the birds have good droppings, even with the virus long gone. So the aspect of the droppings can give you an idea of the later preformance capability of the bird. It could help to vaccinate the birds an extra time for the disease.
Kind regards
Hi, my brother has a pigeon that is about 1yr 6 months. The pigeon started vomiting and also having yellow droppings?
Dear Madam/Sir,
It is very possible the pigeon has the adenovirus type II. This is a very serious illness that causes complete destruction of the liver and death of the pigeon. It is very important you get the bird into quarantine and desinfect the lofts completely.
The bird will normally die if it is this virus. If there is another (bacterial) cause for these symptoms you can give the bird antibiotics, sedochol and electrolytes, if necessary by injection by your veterinarian. A clinical examination is always of help.
Kind regards
I have a pigeon which has a very swollen abdomen and makes greenish droppings. What is this disease and how can I treat it?
Dear Sir,
It is probable it is the same disease. It would be wise for you to let your birds be examined clinically by an avian vet. The most probable causes from the info I got from you could be worms (capillaria), paratyphus, candidiasis,etc...
Kind regards
This morning when feeding my pigeons i noticed one pigeon sitting on the perch whith its eye lids half closed?
Dear Sir,
The symptoms are those of a very sick pigeons with a real chance of dying soon. The yellow urine is indicative for a severe liver problem f.e. adenovirus type 2 can do this. I advise you to let the bird(s) be examined by a veterinarian if possible and let take samples to get a good diagnosis. If you have a sick pigeon it is always advisable to put this bird in quarantine to protect the rest of your colony.
Kind regards
I have a 2 yrs old pigeon that had the symptoms yellow droppings, vomiting and diarrhoea?
Pigeons have come down with severe disentry in the past two weeks, watery droppings mainly clear liquid, deaths within days?
My birds have been dying and had diarrhoea from an unknown disease?
Dear Sir, Some of the symptoms are indeed indicative for paramyxo virus. Nevertheless, as you mentioned yellow diarrhoea with birds before they die, I also suspect adenovirus type II. Yellow diarrhoea is a sign the liver is very badly harmed and that's the case with adenovirus type II. The virus even completely destroys the liver. With adenovirus II, there is 100% mortality, this means that if a bird gets sick it will certainly die. Luckely not all the birds get sick. It is not clear why one bird gets sick and the other not. The fact that sick birds also could survive on your loft, indicates adenovirus type II can't be the only problem. It is very possible that the watery dropping are caused by the hairworm infestation and/or paramyxo. The bad feathers could be an indication the young birds are also infected with circovirus. This virus attacks immune cells of the young bird (under 4 months old), this makes them vulnerable for all kinds of infections. It is a major problem this year in Belgium with a lot of deaths in young birds. They can die from ordinary infections like canker, but also from paratyphoid, adenovirus, etc... Certainly do not underestimate the hairworm infestation as it can also be cause of deaths. As for the vaccination for paramyxo, it is advisable to also do this as soon as possible. Kind regards