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Hi , There is a yearling hen in my loft, but her right wing is unable, it gets swelling at first , after treated the inflammation turns well. but I can see she is still not balance as she is flying. could you tell me how can I treat that? Thanks!
If the wing has been hurt, it is possible she will stay having an unable wing. It is also possible that the hen is infected with paratyphus and her wing problem is caused by arthritis caused by the Salmonella bacteria. Streptococs can also cause similar symptoms.
If she would be a paratyphus carrier treatment and vaccination for this disease is advisable. This can also be diagnosed by blood examination.
I bought a hen born on 5 October 2011 and coupled on 15 February 2012 but she didn’t lay any egg until now. I can feel her pubis is open, which is ready for laying egg). Is there any drug I can give her?
In a lot of cases this could be caused by an uterus inflammation which can have primarely bacterial causes like f.e. paratyphus, E. coli, streptococs or others. I have had good results with enrofloxacine for a longer period of time, but it is also possible she will not be able to lay any more. In some cases a tumoral growth is found, so a lot depends on the cause of the symptoms.
bonjour, j ai une femelle qui parait en bonne santé mais elle a des problèmes pour voler ( elle n arrive meme pas a monter dans son casier). Je l ai mis en quarantaine sous antibio ( avemix n150) elle est bien revenu et dès que je lui arrette les antibios 1 journée le meme probleme revient pourtant ses fientes sont normal. Je ne sais plus quoi faire surtout que c est une bonne femelle ça m embete de la tuer.
Cela ressemble à de la paratyphose. Néanmoins, le mieux est de faire une prise de sang pour effectuer un test paratyphose. En cas de diagnostic positif et si vous voulez garder ce pigeon, il faut effectuer un traitement individuel pendant 3 semaines et ensuite vacciner. Il faut égalemnt traiter l'ensemble de la colonie plus effectuer la vaccination pour tous. S'il ne s'agit pas de paratyphose, cela peut égalemnt être dû à des streptocoques.
I purchased a pair of pigeons from a well renowned breeding stud, the hen is 4 years old, she eats, flies and goes through all the usual mating habits, but stiil does not lay after 60 days, after feeding she tends to shake as if she is cold, and huddle up. Could she have finished her egg laying, due to being over bred from. Ray Williams
Reproductive problems is not a very easy issue to deal with. I always tend to first take a closer look at probable infectious origins of these problems, as I have seen in a lot of cases this is the most important thing to consider dealing with these problems. So I always first take preventive and curative measures for diseases like paratyphus and streptococs. In a lot of cases, after having done that, the problems solve itself.
However, if this doesn't solve the problem, there are other possibilities and the prognosis is not very good. Sometimes it can just happen that the hen is infertile. There can be a lot of causes for this, both genetic as irreversible problems that have occured earlier in her life.
Also take note that some pigeon strains or individual birds are just more difficult to breed with f.e. hens from long distance strains can sometimes be slower in laying eggs especially during the winter season. In the summer this problem is much less present.
Dear Sir. Here in Portugal birds are starting the first trainings ... and I´ve made 3 times a week a suplementention od Magnesium, probiotics, oils, etc. The birds loock fantasting, with rose flesh ... but last week I´ve notice that they where not eating to much (but nothing special) ... they are already flying +- 1 hour (but because they want ... I made this with open loft) ... the problem is that yesterday 3 (2 females and one male) get with "hurt wing". Just to let you know that I´ve already made 7 days with Paramix (from Travipharma) and the birds do not seam like they have Salmonelas. I will stop the training by 3 or 4 days and give them more Magnesium, Brewers yeast and oil. Just to let yoy know that last year (+- at this time) I got 2 birds with the same problem and I culled them. I think that they could have Streptococcus ... Amoxiciline or Ampicilin are good because I´ve read that here ... and my question is Eritromicine or Doxiciline are not indicated against Streptococcus? I intend to make a treatment to my pigeons to the respiratory ways and I intend to make it with a product based on Eritromicine or Doxiciline... like that I would get able to fix 2 in 1 ... that make sense to you? Thank you for your advise.
The problem that you are having with your pigeons could be a problem with streptococcus, but it could also be a problem with the muscles and the vescles in the pigeon-wing. If the pigeon have such a problem with the wings due to an overloaded( overworked ) fact of the muscles and the tendons, then it will be depending of the grade of damaging that is made. Let say that in such a cases 75 % of the pigeons are lost for racing , but you can still breed with them. We see also very often such a wing-problems if pigeons have been a long time inside without training and then at the moment of starting the training we can see some symptoms of overloading of the muscles and tendons. In such a cases the practice have learned me that it is almost impossible to treat such a symptoms.
If it is a case of streptococcus it is really necessary to treat with antibiotics like f.e. amoxicilline or ampicilline. The products like erythromycine or doxycycline are not very well working against the streptococcus infections.
In some cases it is also possible that a samonella infection is there , but then you have to see an inflamation in the wings-joints of the pigeons , which are then swollen up a little.
So it would be better to make an examination of one of the birds and look if their is really a bacterial problem there or if it is caused be an overlaoding of the muscles.
During Breeding Season, all of the young's droppings are very wet. I mean soupy, sloppy wet. This has happened for the last four years since I came back to this sport. I never had this problem 30 years ago. I thought there was a ventalation problem, so I added a ventalation system. The system now is addaquate enough that I can not smell the droppings until I start cleaning the nest box. I clean about 4 times a week. One strange thing though, my father and I have the same problem and we purchased are birds from different sources. The onely common thing we have between us is that we vaccinate together. We do clean the needle between birds. Now we vaccinate for PMV and Partyphoid. We do not vaccinate for Paratyphoid twice, I thought that this may be the trouble. I thought that maybe that we are giving them the Paratyphoid by only vaccinating once. My father sent a bird to a University for an autopsy, but he euthanized the bird by gas and it destroyed the findings. We definately know that the young are not reaching their potential. We are Lost, Lost, Lost. Please help! Thanks.
The symptoms that you are giving are typically for a bacterial infection in the nest. It could be an E-coli infection or a streptococcus bovis infection. I think if you give them during the period that they are having youngsters in the nest a treatment of 8 days with f.e. products based on amoxicilline ( f.e. Amoxicure of Oropharma ) the problem will be solved. The best way is to start with the treatment when the youngsters are just out of the egg end then during 8 days giving this product. Directly there after you give them for a few days some muti-vitamin supplement . Afterwards it would be better the give some acids in the drinking water to make that the parents are not drinking to much and that they are not giving to much water to their youngsters in the nest.
Of course it would be better if we had the possibility to examinate some of the sick youngsters and to make a diagnosis to be 100 % sure of the problems and to make if necessary a antibiogram to be sure which antibiotic is working.
We have started our racing season 2 weeks ago, and mine is a disaster. My pigeon are fit. On handling they look healthy. They were tested for the most common diseases and tested negative. We have started with the short races, and I’m clocking my first pigeons half an hour to one hour after the arrival of the first race pigeons from the club. I’ve lost good pigeons in these short races. Looses, I would say 20-30% per race. The problem is that I thought my pigeons have the muscle and wing disease, but it does not make sense as the pigeons arrive without any breathing symptoms or hanging wings etc. They do not look drained. In fact the day after the race they would fly around the loft for an hour plus. On the normal exercise pre race tosses where they are liberated in one basket, they will arrive together without any trouble. As soon as the races is getting a little further, they come late and as I mentioned, I’m loosing good pigeon which seem to be in form. I don’t want to treat unnecessary. Please help.
Although the racing condition during the week and for short training tosses seems to be fine from the information in your question, it is still very probable a disease or syndrom is causing the problems you are talking about. I am thinking about streptococs, paratyphus and/or herpes. These diseases are not easily detectable on normal diagnostic examination. More information on history of the loft and diseases is necessary to get a complete picture and to be able to find the cause.
Hi, i am from jordan (middle east) i had a problem with two of my pigeons where they had a frozen wing ( i cant even spread the wing)although they were treated for salmonella when the symptoms appeared adding to that they had not been hit by anything. Any suggetions for this case? thank you
Salmonella can cause problems in the wings, there can be a swollen articulation and this can give the symptoms you describe. Although you treated right away (with what kind of product?), the injury that has been in the articulation can remain there for a much longer time. Most of the time the pigeons become thin also, droppings not as it should be etc…
Also Streptococs can give problems with the wings and than the treatment will be different in comparison with the salmonella.
It is important that you know the right diagnosis before treating.
There is also a possibility that the pigeon has injured his wing, in this case, it should be better after some days, week.
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I have lost 4 babies in the last week, all 15 -17 days old. They are very healthy with good droppings the imediately they get poopy around the vent and they usually fall from the nest and are found dead or near dead on the floor. 2, so far have been nestmates the others 1 died the nestmate was fine. I tried giving 4mg of Baytril when I first notice with no benefit. Also used Albon for 5 days after the 1st case last week.
J'ai accouplé 24 jeunes femelles 2010 et deux d'entre elles m'arrivaient plus a volées pendant 2-3 jours après avoir pondu leur oeufs. Pouvez-vous me dire la cause, aucun symptôme (diarrhée). Ces dernières avaient été vaccinées et vermifugées en début d'année. Pour le reste des pigeons aucun problème. Merci de votre réponse.
Il y a une possibilité qu'il s' agit de streptococcus. Une traitement avec amoxicilline peut être la solution. De tout cas c'est indiqué pour visiter une vétérinaire et/ou laisser faire une necropsy.
In 2009 4 of my widowhood cocks developed flying problem during the season, in 2010 3 cocks developed the same symptom and in 2011 i already have 3 cocks with problems. 3 weeks ago i sent away some dropping and swobs to a vet for testing, at that time i had one cock in 60 flying slightly lob sided!! He had been kepted in all winter and been flying out for a week. The tests came back no canker, some worm eggs and after a week some bacteria of Streptoccocus and e-coli. I wormed the birds and gave them a 10 day treatment of amoxicilian. After 9 days of treatment a cock developed flying problem and on day 10 another cock in another section again the same. Basically they hold there wing up slightly and the within a few hours can fly, only one wing seems affected each time, some seem to recover some dont. In general the birds are in good health and i have reared a superb round of ybs and had no fatalities for over 12 months in a stock of 300 birds. I did have some respiratory problems but i have been working to improve the enviroment. If i can spot any other problem it would be i tend to have slimmy red throats but i have put this down to Herpes as the birds pant after flying which i think they will adapt too. The only other thing to mention is i do have problems with hawks so the birds do fly off the loft at high speed and there are trees in the gardens around my loft. And i also have hens and have never had the problem with them.
Nevertheless your amoxicillin treatment I still suspect streptococcus to be the problem. It could be interesting in your case to let an antibiogram be made on the streptococcus strain found on your loft. It could be the strain got resistant for the amoxicillin alone, in a lot of cases combination with clavulic acid could be of use.
Sinds een half jaar heb ik problemen met mijn duiven. Het begon met enkele duivinnen (goede) die niet meer in hun bak konden komen. Lieten hun vleugel iets hangen. Daarna 2 duiven die blind werden en enkele duiven die tijdje niet aten en licht werden. Heb in begin gekuurd tegen paratyphus met achtereenvolgens furaltadone, norfloxazine en trim-sulfa. Duivinnen met vleugel begonnen iets op te knappen maar werden na tijdje weer slechter. De blinde duiven heb ik opgeruimd. De duiven die slecht aten en lichter werden zijn na enekele weken weer opgeknapt. Na tijdje een duivin die heel dun afging (polyurie) is na 4 weken weer opgeknapt. Op moment zit ik met een aantal duiven die scheef vliegen, het lijkt dat ze last hebben van schouder maar er is niets aan te zien. Tevens ook 2 duiven die op de andere dag mank lopen en ook bij deze duiven is niets te zien. De duiven die scheef vliegen, vlogen onlangs weer redelijk in de lucht maar zijn 2 dagen geleden weer teruggelopen en hebben nu weer veel moeite met vliegen. Mijn vermoeden is streptococcus alleen kan ik bij de plaatselijke dierenartsen geen amoxicilline krijgen omdat dit niet verkrijgbaar ik bij hun leverancier. Ben daarom maar doxycycline (7 dagen 10 mg/duif) gaan geven aan de duiven die iets mankeren omdat dit ook werkzaam moet zijn tegen streptococcus. Op moment kuur ik niet meer omdat het weinig effect heeft. Ik heb wel de beschikking over een penicilline/streptomycine oplossing (resp 10000 U/ml, 10 mg/ml) die ik subcutaan kan geven. Heeft dit nog nut bij duiven die ruim 2 maanden problemen hebben met vliegen? De kweek verloopt zonder problemen. Rest van duiven zien er mooi uit maar ben bang dat nu duivenseizoen gaat starten mijn andere duiven een risico lopen.
Hoewel streptococcen een oorzaak of een complicatie kunnen zijn voor uw probleem, zou ik toch eveneens paratyphus niet uitsluiten. Ik zou u aanraden om naast een volledige amoxicilline-kuur in samenspraak met uw dierenarts (dit is zeker zonder probleem te verkrijgen), ook een paratyphus behandeling uitvoeren mét dubbele inenting! Indien de problemen verder aanslepen of als u nu meer uitsluitsel wil, is zeker autopsie van zieke duiven aangewezen.
Eén van onze duiven heeft waarschijnlijk streptococcen en heeft een kuur van ca 7 dagen gehad van de dierenarts (andere duiven ook), waarna het iets beter leek te gaan. Echter langzaamaan gaat het nu steeds slechter. Eet en drinkt nog wel iets, maar zit lusteloos op de grond met meestal ogen gesloten. Kunnen we nog iets doen (we geven al krachtvoer en vitaminen / mineralen) of is dit een afgelopen zaak? Met de andere duiven is alles ok.
Indien het werkelijk alleen streptococcen zou zijn, verwacht ik niet deze evolutie. Meestal is de behandeling voor streptococcen heel dankbaar. Vandaar dat ik u zou aanraden om in overleg met uw dierenarts ook een paratyfus behandeling en bij voorkeur ook vaccinatie uit te voeren. Probeer zeker ook alle parasitaire oorzaken uit te sluiten door onderzoek indien dit nog niet gebeurd is.
My young birds are detoriating. Symtoms are losing weight and light green (fresh leave color) watery dropping, in some cases white watery ( like diliute milk) dropping. Please advice. I had given them antibiotic (amoxillin) for 5 days they were doing fine. One day it rained, temperature drops and all of sudden they started the dropping mentioned above. they are no more active, not flying to their perches and sitting on the floor. 2 died already.
A diagnostic examination of the birds by a veterinarian is important. With the symptoms you describe, there are some possibilities. It is important to know if there is/was any vomiting, problems flying or nervous problem. From the info I have from you I think mainly of adenovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites, perhaps paramyxovirus, streptococcus or another infection. There is also a possibility the young birds are weakened by the circovirus so any infection can cause severe problems, as this virus takes away the pigeon's immunity.
My birds have a great condition and I already took a sample to be tested. Everything was resulted fine, no coccidoses, no worms, no canker was found. I gave them respiratory course to try and help, but the problem is still there. The pigeons are flying for only ten minutes and once they come down they look like have been flying all day. What do you think they have the vets here cannot help me.
If nothing can be found, there is a possibility your birds are having trouble with streptococcosis. A treatment with amoxicilline for ten days can be very effective. Use in cooperation with your veterinarian.
Hi, I have a 2004 hen that looks healthy but she lays eggs that have no shell but just some creamy white paste like substance that resembles yogurt. Just before laying she looks ill for several days. I have plenty of grit and oyster shells available in her at all times. Recently she had very watery droppings. I would like to know what is the cause and what I can do about it and does she have an infection of the reproductive organs and if so is it infectious and can it spread to the other hens/birds in the breeding loft? She is mated to a 2009 cock that seems to be in very good health. Her previous incident was also with a 2007 cock which is also in good health but she laid eggs with similar problems. A recommendation and solution would be much appreciated. Thanks, Tim
There is a big chance from what you describe she has an infection on her ovary duct and more specifically in the region the calcium layer around the egg is produced. This can be caused by some bacteria like salmonella, streptococcus, E. coli. There is also a possibility there is a tumoral problem so it doesn't always have to be an infectious problem. Nevertheless in practice it is almost always an infectious problem. Depending on the bacteria it can be more or less infectious for other birds on the loft. Always be alert for the paratyphus problem (salmonella). Bacteria can be treated with antibiotics. For salmonella enrofloxacine is mostly very effective, but it is advisable to choose your treatment in accordance with your vet.
I have a yearling that has lost so much weight she is like a blade. I have done for paramixovirus, Trichomoniasis, Ornithosis, Mycoplasmosis, E-coli, Endoparasites, Coccidiosis and she hasn't been poisoned. Plz any advice would be appreciated. Her Symptoms sound very similar to Salmonella infection or Streptococcus infection but she eats alot everytime I feed.
Hi Im having a few problems with my birds at the moment and was hoping you maybe able to help out. My birds have stopped exercising around the loft and are way behind at the weekend. I have had droppings tests done and they are fine with regards to the usual suspects like cocci, canker, worms and yeast. The problem is the birds have a large amount of mucous in the throat and the tonsil area is very swollen. I have treated with doxy cycline for 7 days with very little improvement in their exercising around the loft. Im lucky to get 10 minutes out of them. When they land there is no panting and they show up to each other and strike off, fighting with each other on landing. I work at a vet teaching hospital and was wondering what is the best plan of action to try and solve this problem. many Thanks
Two of my best stock birds eggs are very small.What could be the cause of it?
This pigeon is seemingly in good health, eats good, nice complexion, clear eyes but is very light, lost weight after rearing second round of chicks and struggles to fly up from the ground because wings seems to be lame. This condition continues now for 4 months already. Medicines given were: DOVABIOTIC for 5 days (3 months ago), later on Tricoxine tablets for 3 days (last month). Also treated him for lint and round worms. What should I do now?..very good strain from "Van Loon Grizzle". A friend suggested the bird may have been poisoned by eating the wrong plant leaves.
My hens are put together with the cocks. They layed on day 12. 9 of them only layed one egg. I don't know if I should be worried I have a disease problem or something is going on with them. They are all very active and the stoul are normal?
This is indeed not normal. Allthough there is no indication for disease as the birds are active and have good droppings, I would nevertheless advise to let your birds be examined by your vet and take samples for the most common diseases. In case of egg laying problems especially paratyphus, streptococcus and E. coli could be a problem. But in any case a general clinical exam could bring some clarity. Also make sure the birds get enough minerals (calcium) and protein.
I have a young hen who appears to be egg-bound. How do I solve this problem
This could be a serious problem. If it's a young hen, most of the time egg binding is caused by infectious agents like paratyphus, streptococcus, E. coli which causes inflammation of the oviduct. It is advisable to start an individual antibiotic cure after a veterinary examination and put the hen in quarantaine. In a lot of cases the egg just comes off. In some cases the hen has to be injected with oxytocine by the vet. Sometimes even surgery is necessary.
My birds have streptoccocus ive checked with the local vet again (after your advice) and after blood, fecal, and swab of crop and vent it came positive. i need to know what should i do to eliminate it from the loft. someone told me that its imposible and when i will start training it will come back.
A friend of mine has pigeons that are losing weight, droppings are watery with dark green slimy bit in the middle, and hens under stress because they are being chased to lay, are the worst affected. Some of the hens also cannot walk. Pigeons sit looking sick, not eating for 2 weeks and many especially the cocks make spontaneous recovery. Even the hens...once they start eating again and droppings improve they seem to recover. Not all pigeons are affected at the same time. Our thinking is that pigeons could be affected by adenovirus or streptococcus infection. Pigeons are being given cider vinegar, probiotic and vitamins and the affected pigeons are being given spartrix for secondary infections. What do you think that the problem is?...
Do you recommend different treatment.
Many thanks in advance.
At first sight I think of two problems: Salmonella infection or Streptococcus infection. For a diagnosis of Salmonella you should advise your friend to gather some droppings for five consecutive days. Bring them to a pigeon veterinarian. He can send them to a laboratory. They can do a bacteriologic culture and an antibiogram on the droppings. For a diagnosis of Streptococcus infection an autopsy must be done on a sick pigeon. First choice antibiotic to treat Streptococcus infection is amoxicillin. Enrofloxacin (Baytril) is the best choice for treating Salmonella. However the antibiogram can give you the best information on what antibiotic you can use for treating Salmonella or Streptococcusinfections.
Dr. Johan Van der Cruyssen
I have a very dificult problem. (the local vet have no idea what it is)
the birds wings become paralized like they are unable