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My pigeons were affected by paratyhoid and i sent a dead bird for investigation and found out to be Hepatitis?
Dear Sir,
One of the most important effects of paratyphoid is hepatitis. Your story seems to me a perfect example of how antibiotic treatment alone is not always sufficient in dealing with the disease. If possible try to get also vaccine for this disease. Before vaccinating it is good to treat the birds again with antibiotics 8 days before the vaccination and I would continue the treatment untill 6 days after vaccination. Repeat the vaccination after one month (also depending on the kind of vaccine you can get) in accordance with your veterinarian.
In this way I suspect you will have much less problems.
Kind regards
Beste, ik had een vraag ivm met dun groene waterachtig mest tijdens de kweek?
Beste,
Tijdens het azen van graanjongen drinken de duiven veel. Hierdoor kan het zijn dat de uitwerpselen aan de waterige kant zijn. Wanneer het echter diarree betreft die gepaard gaat met conditieverlies en/of andere ziektesymptomen (braken, gewichtsverlies, verminderde eetlust, enz…) moet je rekening houden dat er meer aan de hand is (wormen, paratyfus...) Verdergaand op jouw verhaal (waterige mest maar niet ziek) is het belangrijk om voldoende mineralen te verschaffen en enkele dagen electrolieten in het water te doen.
Voor de zekerheid laat je best een meststaal analyseren om een eventuele wormbesmetting uit te sluiten.
Sportieve groeten
I have got some birds that look to have a hurt wing?
Dear Sir,
The problem that you are having with your pigeons could be a problem with streptococcus, but it could also be a problem with the muscles and the vescles in the pigeon-wing. If the pigeon have such a problem with the wings due to an overloaded( overworked ) fact of the muscles and the tendons, then it will be depending of the grade of damaging that is made. Let say that in such a cases 75 % of the pigeons are lost for racing , but you can still breed with them. We see also very often such a wing-problems if pigeons have been a long time inside without training and then at the moment of starting the training we can see some symptoms of overloading of the muscles and tendons. In such a cases the practice have learned me that it is almost impossible to treat such a symptoms.
If it is a case of streptococcus it is really necessary to treat with antibiotics like f.e. amoxicilline or ampicilline. The products like erythromycine or doxycycline are not very well working against the streptococcus infections.
In some cases it is also possible that a samonella infection is there , but then you have to see an inflamation in the wings-joints of the pigeons , which are then swollen up a little.
So it would be better to make an examination of one of the birds and look if their is really a bacterial problem there or if it is caused be an overlaoding of the muscles.
Best Regards
What is causing this 'chewing' and laborious breathing in my pigeons?
Dear Madam/Sir,
Having read your complete story and search for a cause, I'm personally left with one main explanation from my point of view, but I could off course still be wrong. It could also be important to inform us on which kind of samples were sent (droppings, blood,...)?
From my perspective I think of herpes virus being responsible for the symptoms you are seeing. Although it came back negative I would be curious to know from which samples and with what technique herpes virus was investigated. It could be interesting to vaccinate your pigeons for pigeon herpes virus if you can get such a vaccine.
Also it is my experience that vaccinating against paratyphus (salmonella) (in my case always with dead vaccines), has a positive effect on general immunity and so also on immunity for herpes problems. There are a lot of false negative sample tests for salmonella, so coming back negative from a lab doesn't have to mean anything.
Hoping to be of some help.
Kind regards
During Breeding Season, all of the young's droppings are very wet. I mean soupy, sloppy wet. This has happened for the last four years?
Dear Sir,
The symptoms that you are giving are typically for a bacterial infection in the nest. It could be an E-coli infection or a streptococcus bovis infection. I think if you give them during the period that they are having youngsters in the nest a treatment of 8 days with f.e. products based on amoxicilline ( f.e. Amoxicure of Oropharma ) the problem will be solved. The best way is to start with the treatment when the youngsters are just out of the egg end then during 8 days giving this product. Directly there after you give them for a few days some muti-vitamin supplement . Afterwards it would be better the give some acids in the drinking water to make that the parents are not drinking to much and that they are not giving to much water to their youngsters in the nest.
Of course it would be better if we had the possibility to examinate some of the sick youngsters and to make a diagnosis to be 100 % sure of the problems and to make if necessary a antibiogram to be sure which antibiotic is working.
Best Regards
Over the last 3 or 4 months i have noticed my pigeons have no appetite, from then on they suffer from different symptoms and death?
Dear Sir,
It would be advisable to treat the birds also for trichomoniasis (f.e. with ronidazole 400mg per liter water) and paratyphus (f.e. with enrofloxacine). Were the birds vaccinated for paramyxovirus, herpes and paratyphus? If not it could be wise to do so.
I cannot be sure of a diagnosis without seeing the birds, but there is a good chance by taking care of these diseases your problem will be solved.
The treatments you had to give, accounted only for candidiasis, streptococs and other bacteria (salmonella temporary) and coccidiosis.
Kind regards
For the past few years I have experienced problems with Salmonella in my loft. This year my young birds showed serious side-effects after vaccination?
Dear Sir,
This is indeed a problem that occurs more with the live paratyphus vaccines but can also occur with dead vaccines. It means that the birds were already infected with Salmonella before the vaccination. The live vaccines are already a serious immunity challenge on their own. If there is a virulent Salmonella present, it can result in serious side-effects, in other words it is an outbreak of the disease itself. That is why if you vaccinate with live vaccines you should certainly do a 10 to 14 day antibiotic treatment before vaccination. But also with dead vaccines a treatment is indicated when there are problems with paratyphus. Certainly the first vaccination it is absolutely necessary. For the booster vaccinations the treatment is not always necessary. With dead vaccines you can do the injection also during the antibiotic treatment.
I doubt these pigeons will be able to become normal healthy pigeons and be able to perform on the level they were genetically able to.
Kind regards
Can you please tell me why my pigeons are having white watery droppings and then going light and dying?
Dear Madam/Sir,
It is advisable to let your birds be examined by an avian vet. Possibilities are paramyxovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites. Are your pigeons vaccinated/treated for paramyxo and/or paratyphus?
Kind regards
A 4 year old stock hen is twisting her neck. She has a full body with no signs of bad droppings or loss of weight and all other birds are healthy?
Dear Madam/Sir,
From the information you give me, I would first think of a traumatic injury f.e. a bad fall, that is causing the nervous symptoms. Nevertheless it is still possible she is suffering from paramyxovirus infection or paratyphus. That is why it could be wise to vaccinate your stockbirds for paramyxovirus only to be sure and treat with antibiotics and vaccinate for paratyphus, this in accordance with your veterinarian.
Kind regards
We have started our racing season 2 weeks ago, and mine is a disaster with loss of good pigeons. On handling they look healthy. Can you help?
Dear Madam/Sir,
Although the racing condition during the week and for short training tosses seems to be fine from the information in your question, it is still very probable a disease or syndrom is causing the problems you are talking about. I am thinking about streptococs, paratyphus and/or herpes. These diseases are not easily detectable on normal diagnostic examination. More information on history of the loft and diseases is necessary to get a complete picture and to be able to find the cause.
Kind regards
Je suis en colombophil italien, j'aimerai avoire Votre conseil sur un problem que j'ai dans l'elevage?
Bonjour Madame/Monsieur,
Les symptomes peuvent indiquer une E. coli problème. On doit aussi penser à la trichomonose, paratyphose ou herpes. Avec E. coli on peut traiter avec f.e. un sulfonamide avec trimetoprim (ou amoxicillin) pour 8 jours et/ou essayer de laisser faire une autovaccin.
Mes salutations sportives
Hi Sir about one year ago i bought a pigeons from Holland. It's in healthy condition but always has very watery droppings?
Dear Madam/Sir,
There could be a possibility the bird has had paramyxovirus when he was young. In that case there has been kidney damage and the bird always produces watery droppings. This doesn't give any problems for breeding.
There is also a possibility the bird is a paratyphus carrier, it means it carries the salmonella bacteria while seeming healthy. The bacteria could give chronic intestinal problems.
Also make sure the bird is free from parasites like worms and coccidiosis.
Kind regards
I had a problem with two of my pigeons where they had a frozen wing ( i cant even spread the wing)?
Dear Sir,
Salmonella can cause problems in the wings, there can be a swollen articulation and this can give the symptoms you describe. Although you treated right away (with what kind of product?), the injury that has been in the articulation can remain there for a much longer time. Most of the time the pigeons become thin also, droppings not as it should be etc…
Also Streptococs can give problems with the wings and than the treatment will be different in comparison with the salmonella.
It is important that you know the right diagnosis before treating.
There is also a possibility that the pigeon has injured his wing, in this case, it should be better after some days, week.
Don’t hesistate to contact me for more info
I have lost 4 babies in the last week, all 15 -17 days old?
I have had a terrible breeding season, out of thirty six bred, severel have died in the nest?
Dear Madam/Sir,
Your suspicion of Salmonella is probably correct, but nevertheless an autopsy could give more clarity and/or another diagnosis. In case of Salmonella I would treat all your birds and vaccinate them twice with four weeks in between.
Kind regards
Sinds een half jaar heb ik problemen met duiven die o.a. niet meer kunnen vliegen of scheef vliegen?
Beste,
Hoewel streptococcen een oorzaak of een complicatie kunnen zijn voor uw probleem, zou ik toch eveneens paratyphus niet uitsluiten. Ik zou u aanraden om naast een volledige amoxicilline-kuur in samenspraak met uw dierenarts (dit is zeker zonder probleem te verkrijgen), ook een paratyphus behandeling uitvoeren mét dubbele inenting! Indien de problemen verder aanslepen of als u nu meer uitsluitsel wil, is zeker autopsie van zieke duiven aangewezen.
Sportieve groeten
My birds are dying without other clear symptoms?
Dear Sir,
To diagnose your problem, I would recommend to do a necropsy on a dead pigeon, because without a good diagnosis, it is impossible to treat like it should be.
Death can be caused by many different agents, such as adeno type II, Coli, Paratyphus, eating of toxic materials, etc….
I would surely recommend to test the droppings, checking the presence of wurms, coccidiosis, also to do a culture of a 5 day droppings, searching for paratyphus.
A vet can may be diagnose something on a living pigeon also, tricho,…
Don’t hesistate to contact me for more information
Good day all. Last season I had my pigeons vaccinated with a local vaccine here in South Africa for paratyphoid giving problems during the racing season?
Dear Sir,
Try to treat your birds for two weeks with enrofloxacine. After that you can vaccinate, but indeed the kind of vaccine could give different results. Here in Belgium I have good results with colombovac Paratyphus from Pfizer. You should vaccinate twice with four weeks in between.
Kind regards
Once the young pigeons reach 20 days old they vomit , no appetite, lameness and they die?
Dear Sir,
I cannot make a diagnosis without seeing birds and taking samples, but I can give you some information what possible diseases could give the problems you are seeing with your birds.
As possible diseases I'm thinking of paratyphus, trichomoniasis and adeno virus. There is a big chance the birds are also infected with circo virus and therefore lack the immunity to cope with diseases. You can find more information on these diseases by clicking on the corresponding tags. Let your birds be examined by an avian vet to get a correct diagnosis.
Kind regards
Mijn vliegduiven hebben veel waterige maar geen groene mest. Ik heb ook al 10 jonge dood?
Beste,
Waterige mest met sterfte van nestjongen wordt vaak veroorzaakt door E. Coli. Andere oorzaken zoals paratyfus, coccidiose, paramyxo, trichomonas of een intoxicatie kunnen echter niet uitgesloten worden. Het is daarom aangeraden om dit verder te laten onderzoeken. Controle van de oude duiven, van een staal uitwerpselen en autopsie van gestorven nestjongen door een dierenarts kunnen hier uitsluitsel geven over de oorzaak. In afwachting van de resultaten geef je electrolieten en mineralen ter ondersteuning. Ook start je best met een antibioticumkuur tegen E. Coli en secundaire infecties. Eens de resultaten van het onderzoek gekend zijn, kan de strategie in functie van de uiteindelijke diagnose aangepast worden.
I have almost the whole flock who suffers from a dark red throat and the larynx is all the time pumping in and out I mean it's never stable?
Dear Madam/Sir,
The symptoms you describe are indicative for a throat inflammation. This can be caused by trichomoniasis, herpes, candida and/or other bacteria like E. coli, staphylococcus, pelistega. A simple diagnostic examination by a vet could show if the birds are infected with trichomoniasis or candidiasis. It is always first important to rule out canker (trichomoniasis) before you can take other steps. When the pigeons are free from canker or candida and the symptoms remain, you can give antibiotics for bacterial problems. Lincomycine-spectinomycine and amoxicillin are mostly good antibiotics for these indications, but an antibiogram (after isolation of pathogenic bacteria in throat swabs) could give more information on what antibiotic is best. But even then we should not underestimate the influence herpes virus could have on the symptoms, even an underlying problem like paratyphus could be of great importance. Try to rule out all of these causes and give the pigeons enough space and fresh air.
Kind regards
Every few weeks i have one or two birds that go light and weak to the point that they are not able to fly to their perch or nest?
Dear Sir,
I would suggest a good treatment for paratyphus (antibiotics + two times vaccination) could be of a lot of help for your problem f.e. enrofloxacine for two weeks following vaccination, repeat the vaccination after one month.
Kind regards
I have sick birds in my loft whereby they lose weight and there seems to be a sound of slime in the back of the throat?
Dear Madam/Sir,
The symptoms you describe, indicate a problem of trachea infection and throat (perhaps also lungs and airsacks). This is normally not ornitosis for which doxycycline is effective (more upper respiratory and eye infections, sometimes general sickness). There can be a number of causes for this kind of infection f.e. staphylococcus intermedius, pelistega europea, E. coli, herpes, (trachea mite), and if the lungs are also infected and the birds are losing weight you should certainly also consider paratyphus. An antibiotic treatment like amoxicillin, perhaps followed with enrofloxacine, and after this paratyphus vaccination, can be of great help.
Kind regards
My young birds are detoriating, symtoms are losing weight and light green (fresh leave color) watery dropping?
Dear Madam/Sir,
A diagnostic examination of the birds by a veterinarian is important. With the symptoms you describe, there are some possibilities. It is important to know if there is/was any vomiting, problems flying or nervous problem. From the info I have from you I think mainly of adenovirus, paratyphus, endoparasites, perhaps paramyxovirus, streptococcus or another infection. There is also a possibility the young birds are weakened by the circovirus so any infection can cause severe problems, as this virus takes away the pigeon's immunity.
Kind regards
When treating with baytril for respiratory infections, every other week, does this affect the birds in racing or breeding?
Dear Madam/Sir,
I'm against preventive antibiotic treatment on a weekly base and certainly with a broadspectrum antibiotic as enrofloxacine, that should be kept for life-saving treatment. Although this kind of strategy will often give very good results in the short term, I guarantee you that it will leed to a lot of problems in the long term, both for racing as for breeding. The first year with this method is in a lot of cases an excellent racing year (if there are good pigeons present), the second year has ups and downs, the third year results are very bad, the pigeons get sick very easily and not much medication is still effective (depending on the kind of antibiotics and resistance). It also seems general immunity of the birds has declined and often wrong choices have been made in breeding strategy, which means the pigeon strain is not much worth. New pigeons have to be brought in to stay succesful.
For long distance racing it is certainly not a good strategy, as it seems that too much antibiotics for too long, is very negative for racing results. Sometimes for a short period of time or for one long distance race results can be good after an antibiotic treatment. In a lot of cases not a lot of antibiotics have been given beforehand! Actually this always means there was a (slight) infection present (mostly respiratory) and the birds were able to come in super condition.
Long term usage of enrofloxacine also seems to have an important negative effect on breeding results, both for males as females. Especially the sperm quality seems to diminish.
In my opinion enrofloxacine with pigeons should be mainly used for salmonella problems in pigeon colonies and for other difficult to treat infections (respiratory or other - mostly after an antibiogram).
If you have a lot of problems with respiratory infections, the loft construction has to be adapted and, when necessary, a shorter treatment with different kinds of antibiotics have to be given, in which it is important to change products (always an other antibiotic than previously used). Try to keep it to a minimum and use in cooperation with your veterinarian.
Kind regards