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Beste, Wij hebben reeds 25 jaar duiven, maar zoveel problemen als dit jaar heb ik nog nooit meegemaakt. Wekelijks ligt er een jonge duif dood (zelfs een jaarling). De eerste symptomen zijn bol zitten en niet willen eten of vliegen. Bij het bekijken van de duif zie je gele stippen in de bek. Eerste gedacht: het geel. Dan geef je een pilletje tegen het geel en de volgende dag is het dubbel zo erg. Nog een pilletje tegen het geel ... en de derde dag liggen ze dood. Ik heb op 3 weken tijd reeds 4 dode duiven. Wat nu?
Het is onmogelijk om een diagnose te stellen enkel verdergaand op uw verhaal. Een onderzoek van uw duiven en daarnaast eventueel een autopsie van een overleden duif kunnen uitsluitsel geven. Een mogelijke denkpiste kan zijn Trichomonasbesmetting gecombineerd met Herpesvirus. Hierbij zien we o.a. geel beleg in de bek. Wanneer je deze duiven behandelt tegen het geel, ben je vaak al te laat. Het kwaad is dan al geschied! Het is belangrijk in zo een situatie onmiddellijk het hele hok te behandelen zodat er geen nieuwe gevallen bijkomen. De ergst aangetaste duiven zullen echter sterven. We zien vooral sterfte door Trichomonas in combinatie met weerstandsvermindering door stress (pas gespeende jongen of overbevolking) of ook bij circovirus.
Maar zoals ik reeds zei is het aangeraden alles eerst grondig te laten onderzoeken.
Some of my birds are retaining the seed in their crop. The droppings are normal, and the birds are hungry. This is affecting a couple of my youngsters, and also a couple of my older birds. I have tried using charcoal as suggested to me, but this has not helped. Could you please advise. I have checked every book on symptoms, but nothing has described what my birds are ailing from. I welcome any, and all advice from you. Best Regards. Arlene Henderson
From the symptoms you describe I would think of a fungus problem or even an ordinary canker infection. These infections can be diagnosed by microscopic examination. I do not immediately consider a viral problem as also the older birds get infected although herpes virus can be an underlying problem.
One of my young pigeon looked a bit unwell. I checked its throat for canker. And i noticed the end of its tongue was pale yellowish green colour.Instead of the normal pinky red colour. Can you help. Thanks in advance.
This could be indeed trichominiasis, it can be diagnosed by a microscopic examination. Other possibilities are candidiasis and certainly herpes virus.
My pigeons are eating well but find it difficult to swollow. I gave 5 days for kanker but still no improvement. After my vet gave me another 5 days for catarth, still the same, again at the vet he insisted about catarth. Tricho 40, chlortetracycline and aviosan were used. Do u think of something else before i give my birds another course? Birds look not bad but in hands i feel them a bit deep and red throats. thks.
The symptoms of catarrh you are describing could indicate an infection with trichomoniasis, candidiasis and/or herpes virus. Since you have already treated for canker, you and your vet should probably take these two other possibilities into account. Herpes is very common but is a virus so it is hard to treat. You could consider an L-lysine treatment and vaccination if possible.
My pigeons were diagnosed with herpes virus about 2 months ago and also were vomitting just over a week ago. I have now treated them with nifouromycin for 8 days and the pigeons seem in excellent condition. I live in Malta and the racing season is from November until May. Do you think that it is now safe to race my pigeons and should I have any particular worries over them recovering from the herpes virus?
Herpes is very common in pigeons and a lot of pigeons stay carrier of the virus. This doesn't at all have to mean that bird will not perform well, but in cases of immunity weakening this virus can cause some temporary respiratory and/or throat problems. This can happen because of the races, the stress in the baskets, etc... Then it can help to administer L-lysine on the food for one week f.e. This has a blocking effect on the multiplication of the virus and does help clinically, but it is no medication so it can come back when the birds still have a weak immunity or other diseases. Vaccinations can be of help to prevent the disease from breaking through.
On first glance, my birds look very healthy, their feathers are shiny, they are lively in the loft, eat and drink normally, and molt very well. However, I am a detailed observer of my birds and see them making a chewing movement as if there is something in their mouth or they have post nasal drip. I also observe that their breathing is a bit more laborious than normal. Upon inspection of the beak, there is no abnormality visible; no masses, no mucus in their throats or noses. Their ceres are white. Simply I cannot see any abnormalities. Over the last two months I have treated with Berimax , Doxycycline (7days) + Baytril (10days), and more recently with Moxydectrin (two courses). While the doxy+baytril improved the droppings significantly in the few birds that had some loose droppings, the chewing and laborious breathing remained. I have send samples from 6 birds to Research Associates Laboratoria in Dallas TX. All test came back negative for: adenovirus, Chlamydia, exotic new castle disease virus, pigeon herpes, pigeon circo virus and salmonella. Subsequently the birds tested negative for trichomonas and mycoplasma. Some birds tested marginally positive for e coli on tracheal swipes, and a few had hyperemic larynx. Other cultures remained negative. Birds were treated for e coli with Baytril (as per biogram). Several birds tested positive (one +) for an unkwown yeast, but candida and other pathogenic fungi were not found. Long story short, for a few months now, the birds have this uncomfertable chewing movement as reflection of an irritation in their mouths. Please advise on suggestions for diagnosis and or treatment approach. Thank you in advance
Having read your complete story and search for a cause, I'm personally left with one main explanation from my point of view, but I could off course still be wrong. It could also be important to inform us on which kind of samples were sent (droppings, blood,...)?
From my perspective I think of herpes virus being responsible for the symptoms you are seeing. Although it came back negative I would be curious to know from which samples and with what technique herpes virus was investigated. It could be interesting to vaccinate your pigeons for pigeon herpes virus if you can get such a vaccine.
Also it is my experience that vaccinating against paratyphus (salmonella) (in my case always with dead vaccines), has a positive effect on general immunity and so also on immunity for herpes problems. There are a lot of false negative sample tests for salmonella, so coming back negative from a lab doesn't have to mean anything.
Hoping to be of some help.
Hi Ruben, thank you for the response. Would like to know what cause herpus virus and how do the birds get infected with this. I rather want to get to the root of this and start treatment from there. Before i go i just want to say that PIPA rocks, you gentlemen assisting us with our problems and questions are doing a great job. Thank you for being available when needed. Pieter de klerk
Please assist as i dont know what to use to treat yellow spots in the throat of my pigeons. It look like swollen (white/yellow) needle prics. Cant get these birds in propper condition.
These white-yellow spots could be caused by herpes virus, trichomoniasis or candidiasis. These spots could also be harmless sialolites. I would have to see the birds to be sure. Try to let the birds be checked by a vet for trichomoniasis and candida. My suspicion from your story is herpes virus. This is very common in racing birds but difficult to treat.
Hi, I will appreciate if you can help me in identifying a symptom in my pigeons. When I open the beak of a bird, a silverish/white stain is present on the roof of the birds palate. This rash like stain is on both sides of the opening in palate, and is situated towards the upper back of the throat. I hope my description of this symptom is sufficient enough so that you can help me. The birds also tend to scratch in the area between their ears and upper throat. Thank you very much in advance Your friend in the South African Pigeon sport Jurie
This symptom indicates strongly for a pigeon herpes virus infection. You should also consider candida, trichomiasis and/or bacterial overgrowth. The scratching is an indication for upper respiratory problem but this could also be related with the herpes virus.
We have started our racing season 2 weeks ago, and mine is a disaster. My pigeon are fit. On handling they look healthy. They were tested for the most common diseases and tested negative. We have started with the short races, and I’m clocking my first pigeons half an hour to one hour after the arrival of the first race pigeons from the club. I’ve lost good pigeons in these short races. Looses, I would say 20-30% per race. The problem is that I thought my pigeons have the muscle and wing disease, but it does not make sense as the pigeons arrive without any breathing symptoms or hanging wings etc. They do not look drained. In fact the day after the race they would fly around the loft for an hour plus. On the normal exercise pre race tosses where they are liberated in one basket, they will arrive together without any trouble. As soon as the races is getting a little further, they come late and as I mentioned, I’m loosing good pigeon which seem to be in form. I don’t want to treat unnecessary. Please help.
Although the racing condition during the week and for short training tosses seems to be fine from the information in your question, it is still very probable a disease or syndrom is causing the problems you are talking about. I am thinking about streptococs, paratyphus and/or herpes. These diseases are not easily detectable on normal diagnostic examination. More information on history of the loft and diseases is necessary to get a complete picture and to be able to find the cause.
Je suis en colombophil italien, j'aimerai avoire Votre conseil sur un problem que j'ai dans l'elevage: j'ai des couples qui elevent tres bien ses jeunes et depuis je retrouve dans le nid des pigionneux qui perdent de un jour a l'otre pois et les fiantes sont collagineuses et jaunatres. Plusieurs fois si je ne tue pas les jeunes le problem est superè mais le developpement des subjets n'est pas parfait. Merçi pour cette opportunité, j'espere de avoir une solution a un probleme que j'ai depuis quelques année. Merçi encore
Les symptomes peuvent indiquer une E. coli problème. On doit aussi penser à la trichomonose, paratyphose ou herpes. Avec E. coli on peut traiter avec f.e. un sulfonamide avec trimetoprim (ou amoxicillin) pour 8 jours et/ou essayer de laisser faire une autovaccin.
Mes salutations sportives
Good night I'm a pigeon fancier in Portugal, I m serious problem with my pigeons. I'm tired of trying to resolve the problem by asking a number of fanciers and still can not expediently resolve. In my loft I have no air currents, I have no moisture, the air also to encounter not saturated, the pigeons are healthy. The problem I have in pigeons is as follows: My pigeons have always sputum in the throat, and I can not eliminate it. I've tried to various forms, but can not. I am asking your help to see if I can tell what should I do to eliminate this phlegm throat pigeons. Since already thank you very much. Greetings A. Santos
Causes of this could be: trichomoniasis, herpes, upper respiratory problems (bacteria like mycoplasma and others), candida infections. Depending on the problem you should give different medication. Try to get a diagnosis with an avian vet. Treatment for trichomonas could be ronidazole, for bacteria antibiotics like spiramycine, linco-spectin,..., for candida nystatin, for herpes there is no effective treatment without losing condition of the birds completely, but I have some results with L-lysine. As a preventive measure I have good results with a high quality colloidal silver solution.
Hello to everyone.. I just have one question to you if you dont mind... I have almost the whole flock who suffers from a dark red to dark throat and the larynx is all the time pumping in and out i mean it's never stable... what do you think is the problem? 10x for your help in advance... bdw I 've treated the flock for respiratory and they still look like that...
The symptoms you describe are indicative for a throat inflammation. This can be caused by trichomoniasis, herpes, candida and/or other bacteria like E. coli, staphylococcus, pelistega. A simple diagnostic examination by a vet could show if the birds are infected with trichomoniasis or candidiasis. It is always first important to rule out canker (trichomoniasis) before you can take other steps. When the pigeons are free from canker or candida and the symptoms remain, you can give antibiotics for bacterial problems. Lincomycine-spectinomycine and amoxicillin are mostly good antibiotics for these indications, but an antibiogram (after isolation of pathogenic bacteria in throat swabs) could give more information on what antibiotic is best. But even then we should not underestimate the influence herpes virus could have on the symptoms, even an underlying problem like paratyphus could be of great importance. Try to rule out all of these causes and give the pigeons enough space and fresh air.
Is there any adenovirus and herpesvirus vaccines available for pigeons? Regarding to circovirus and pox vaccines, can we use circovirus and pox vaccines for chickens? Thank you.
There are no such pigeon vaccines available at the moment. The EDS vaccine for chickens has been used with pigeons for adenovirus, but scientifically the efficacity of this is seriously questioned, because the EDS adenovirus is very different to the pigeon adenovirus. The problem with vaccines developed for other animals is that these vaccines are not tested with pigeons for efficacity or side-effects. Sometimes the virus strains can differ a lot from the virus strain that causes disease with pigeons. It could be interesting to test the chicken circo vaccines on pigeons. I don't think it is interesting to use the Marek vaccines (herpes) for chickens, because the virus is quite different.
It is absolutely not advisable to use chicken pox vaccines with pigeons. In some chicken vaccines the original (living) pigeon pox virus is used. This means you would give your birds the pox disease.
A warm hello to all ; Recently in my racing team i have been noticing some pigeons with a white mould like spot in their epiglottis. True enough pigeons in the european region are in heavy moult at the moment so there is definetly some stress factors which i think are linked to this symptom. I am strongly suspecting a Chlamydia flare up which is causing this culprit. My concerns are as follows; Here in Malta we start racing in the first week of November (ie; aproximately in 6 weeks time (a) Any suggestion what might be the cause? (b) As the birds are in full moult, should an antibiotic treatment be given ? (c) What antibiotic/s would you suggest? Birds are looking very healthy and there are no visual signs of repiratory infections. It would be greatly appreciated if you could sort of; fix a timetable that would help me peak my team for the upcoming racing season. The team is monitored frequently for tricho ; coccidia and worms. Unfotunately we have no decent vets that specialise in pigeons here, your advice will be of great help to me. I thank you beforehand and await any reply. Yours in Sport Andrew Spiteri
The spots on the epiglottis are probably sialolites. These are harmless cristallisations of beak saliva. Sometimes it is associated with herpes virus. Mostly this is no problem for racing and it can stay there a long time.
A virus like herpes can not be treated effectively, but it can be sometimes advisable to treat the birds for secundary bacterial infections. In that case you can use antibiotics that are effective for upper respiratory problems f.e. linco-spectin, doxycycline, tylan, spiramycine, erythromycine, amoxicilline, sometimes enrofloxacine,... If the birds are healthy and show no repiratory signs I would not treat. As preventive measure colloidal silver can have excellent results.
Er zit in 1 afdeling 3 duiven met 1 bleek oog terwijl de andere gewoon kleurrijk is. Voorheen waren beide ogen goed... De duiven blaken verder van gezondheid. Ook hebben ze niet een hele zware vlucht voor de kiezen gehad. Wat zou dit kunnen zijn en wat voor verdere schade kan dit tot gevolg hebben?
Welke zijn de gevolgen op kweek- en sportief vlak bij duiven die (zwaar) besmet geraakten met het : - herpesvirus - paramyxovirus - adenovirus . Mijn aanvoelen is dat hierover weinig bekend is én misschien zwaar onderschat wordt? Met dank voor de toelichtingen.
Hi! I'm a vet student; I've just necropsied a pigeon and found a green liver with two white plaques. What could be happening? Is it a sign of toxicity or infection, or is it just normal colour variation? The pigeon was previously diagnosed to have Candidiasis because of white-yellowish masses in the mouth. When I did the swab examination, I found hyphae but couldn't determine yet whether it's Candida. Respiratory system got no lesion, unless some compaque-white appearance of the trachea. Digestive system got severe lesion in the crop, where there's some brown crusts. Is it a sole Candida infection or perhaps I should consider differential diagnose like Pox virus or Salmonella? I can't find any colour picture reference that match the lesion of my pigeon.. Could you please recommend me any book or online atlas? Thanks a million!
I have a problem with some of the racing pigeons in my loft. The problem is a white spot on the tonsil that sits on the floor of the windpipe. It's a raised white line at the entrance of the windpipe on the third tonsil. When pigeons in the loft have this condition, the losses are very heavy. Can you identify this disease and advise me of the appropriate medication to give the birds to eradicate this disease from my loft? I have tried doxycyclin - it keeps it at bay for a few weeks, but then it returns. I live in Western Australia and we have no avian vets here - we only have local vets which are mainly treating cats and dogs.
A warm welcome to all; lately i have been noticing my race team with an accumalation of mucus in the back of there throats. I suspected that the pigeons had Mycoplasmosis Catarrh( birds are regulary checked for tricho so that is the reason why i do not suspect it to be canker). I started a 5 day teatment with chevi-mulin in feed mixed with chevicet-t (both from Chevita) . For the first 3 days I also sprayed in their mouths chevi rhin . in water they had livimun (this treatment plan in advised by the same firm) . All birds look ok but sadly their is still signs of the slimy substance and not that of a clear water like mucos. have you any suggestions if this is normal? Birds are execising well and cannot seem to find the problem. For the record there is an individual who pants slightly after flight but not for long. Any help would be greatly appreciated. yours in sport Andrew
Sinds vorige winterkweek zit ik met een serieus probleem bij mijn duiven. Mijn eerste ronde verliep perfect maar bij mijn tweede ronde gingen mijn net uitgepikte jongen ( enkele dagen oud) op enkele na bijna allemaal dood. In de loop van het seizoen kwamen de overgebleven jongen ook met jongen en daar had ik ook massale sterfte bij het uitpikken. Bij mijn oude duiven had ik eieren van een andere melker ondergelegd maar na het uitpikken stierven de jonge ook massaal. Ik heb ondertussen bloed en meststalen van mijn oude duiven en dode jongskes laten onderzoeken en daar was nergens iets op te vinden. Mijn volwassen duiven vertonen ook geen enkel ziekteverschijnsel en waren tricho-vrij. Ik gebruikte wel van die zwarte matjes in de nestschotel (voor sommige melkers is dit de oorzaak, maar ik heb daar toch mijn twijfels over, maar ik zal ze toch niet meer gebruiken, kwestie om zeker te zijn). Ik heb een kuur gedaan met een breedspectrumantibiotica en dit zal ik nu voor de kweek nog eens herhalen. Ik heb natuurlijk nog altijd schrik dat het probleem niet opgelost is!
Heeft u advies?
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De symptomen die u beschrijft, heb ik reeds meermaals gezien bij duivenliefhebbers die eveneens van die matjes gebruik maakten. Bij verwijderen van de matjes waren de problemen verdwenen.
Andere mogelijke oorzaken van nestjongen sterfte, kan te maken hebben met E. coli septicaemie, trichomonasbesmetting van de navel (heden ten dage uitzonderlijk te noemen) en er wordt soms ook herpes virus aangetoond en geassocieerd met de problemen. De eerste twee zijn goed te behandelen (maar opletten met resistentie, dus het kan aangewezen zijn een antibiogram te laten maken). Het laatste is een virus en is dus moeilijk te behandelen.
In uw geval denk ik dat het verwijderen van de matjes voldoende zal zijn.
I have a slight problem with some of my birds. I have noticed on several birds a slight swelling around the eyes, mainly the inner eyelid is slightly swollen. The birds appear in super condition, droppings solid, pink throats & are moulting well.The loft is open fronted & I suspect the weather (Humidity/temp) may be the cause. It is only this years YBs showing symptoms. I am awaiting results of testing by our veterinarian but any input you may have I would be extremely greatful.
Regards Dave Bates
I have seen three youngbirds in a space of two weeks with swollen heads, watery eyes and yellow streeks in the mouth.They loose weight very quickly and do not eat.After injecting with an ornithose injection ,one made improvements while another was put down. I have heard other fanciers having similar problems.I have put the rest of the young birds on enrofloxacine, hoping it stops the spread of infection. What do you suggest I should do?
I wonder if you could advise me please, I believe my pigeons may have pigeon herpesvirus (phv), at the moment I am treating them with baytril is this advisable? Symptoms - watery droppings, sometimes mushy olive green, Thirst, weight loss, signs of canker in the mouth also ornithosis type symptoms i.e. one eyed cold.
What causes one of the eyes of a pigeon to get slightly paler ? The pigeon looks in very good health and does not sit in a draught area. Your help is greatly apreciated and I look forward to your professional advice.