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22 posts since 16/07/2004
Location: Santa Cruz, California, USA

Confused: How should you feed young birds the week before their first race? I've read that on Monday & Tuesday you should feed them light and then heavy on Wednesday and Thrusday, and then light again before putting them into the basket on Friday. And then I've heard the opposite! At the moment I am planning to feed a high protein mix on Monday and Tuesday, high carbohydrate and high fat diet on Wednesday and Thrusday and then a light feed with Omega 3 & 6 additives mixed in on Thrusday night and Friday morning before basketing. But this is all from reading the piegon literature, not from experience. Any ideas?

 

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81 posts since 04/10/2004
Location: Dublin Ireland

mmount I am not in a position to give advice but Ican tell you what Happened in my first two races and maybe it might help.

My first race was from 77 miles and like yourself I was following the advice given from reading articles.
Monday was a superwidowhood mix with 40% barley tuesday and wed the same thursday and friday was the superwidowhood mix on its own as much as they can eat without the drinker.

Result it wasnt agreat race for anyone but I clocked 30 mins behind winner 870 birds.

second race I kept the same system untill thursday gave them all they wanted on thursday but only a hand full of barley on friday at 2pm just so they had a drink before they went.

result 7th 11th and 15th from 1158 birds.

Cant define it and have a lot of thinking to do but at the end of the day we have to find the right system for our own birds.

hope this helps Wink

 
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52 posts since 15/01/2005
Location: West Virginia,USA

Sunday...Monday...Tues.....feed depurative mix....Wed...Thur...Fri racing mix...Saturday IS shipping day here in the East,feed 1/2 normal racing mix at 10am for short races...feed 1/2 hr later for every 50 miles over 150 miles......add 10% corn for the 200 miler...20% corn for a 250 miler...30% corn for the 300 miler...Feed the CORN by itself first before the normal 1/2 day amount...
This is from Ganus Loft....The rest is up to you !!!.....Alamo Laughing

 
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81 posts since 04/10/2004
Location: Dublin Ireland

Alamo in my race we never go over 200 miles inland this is as far as the land will let us go

most of our young birds are stopped after 160 miles.

300 miles as a young bird is not an option for our birds and very few of our old birds go that far, so our comparisons are very wide of the mark.

Your system seems a better one for Mmount and if Mike ganus uses it you cant go far wrong.

Good luck Mmount,the harder you work the luckier you get Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

 
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Why fiddle about with breaking young birds down during the week. Do you think they have finished growing in as much they can be fed on Depurative for best part of the week. Would you feed your children on such foods when they are young and not expect there growth to be impaired, Feed a sensible diet and you will get the results and healthy growing young birds
Steve Crying or Very sad

 
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81 posts since 04/10/2004
Location: Dublin Ireland

wise words Steve as usuall,

As I said in my post we only race sprints and for a long distance expert like yourself it must seem like folly to treat young birds this way.

And your right but half of our races are young birds and most of the top flyers in my fed often keep two teams of young birds,one for racing and one for the following years.

Some of the babies I have seen going to a race have been no more than sparrows again folly but these guys are getting results,I hope I never go down this path as I have bred some real crackers this year and am looking to the future.

Thanks for your input and good luck.

bar bar Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

 
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52 posts since 15/01/2005
Location: West Virginia,USA

Hi Steve,I admire what you have accomplished with your pigeons...And I`m sure you will continue to do as well or better...But like the different countries we live in,we have different methods...My "THING" is long distance racing....I have allways taken care of my YB`s as good or better then most fanciers here where I live and fly against...But like alot of flyers,my problem was ALLWAYS overfeeding my young birds...I never used barley at all...But I have learned to master the barley to grain mixtures for my Yb`s...They have plenty to eat,they are not starving,and they are growing and moulting beautifully...The depurative mix I use is 50% barley...30% Wheat...20% a combo of Peanut Hearts/small seeds/Safflower.....This mix is not given to the birds untill they are about 5 months old....Before that they are on grain all the time...The depurative mix is now given to them to get used to the feeding program..Because once we start racing,I will be ahearing to this method...On Sunday race day and Monday rest day,they will do whatever they wish...Fly around,take baths etc...Free loft all day Monday...No work,no heavy foods....Wednesday,depending on condition of Sunday`s race birds,they will either get a short 35 mile toss,or just loft fly morning and evening...Thursday/Friday 45 to 50 mile tosses/100% grain feed....Saturday, shipping day, loft fly only/50% of their regular amount at about 10 to 10:30 for short races....Add corn for the longer races starting with the 200 milers..and they get their normal 50% ration also...
PS:I normally do not send any(In my opinion) worthwhile pigeon to no more then 3 or 4 yb races....Any pigeons I think might not be good enough to race/win at 500 miles will fly 6 to 7 races out of 10....To find out if I might have a good one in the bunch even though I don`t think I do....My ultimate goal is to find the best birds for the 400 to 500 mile races that we have in old birds...Starting August 21st,2005..I will be looking for additions to my OB team...I hope to have 6 cocks and 6 hens to add to my OB race team out of the 24 YB`s I have... Wink Very Happy .....
Alamo

 
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Hi Alamo
As i have always said. Never change a system that works. When our young birds come home from a race they are fed half young bird and half Diet, with Elyctrolyes in the water. Then the next day they are fed on there racing Mixture until basketing again. This is Versale lage
One third each of Young Bird Plus -Champion Plus Mixture, and Enrergy plus, that is it, To date they have been 1st 3 times, soon it will be all over for them this year we do not have a big team only 25 in the first lot and 10 more just started training for the later comr back races
Steve Laughing

 
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31 posts since 12/09/2004
Location: KENT, ENGLAND

Hi Steve

We agree with your posts on this subject as we feed our yb's Gerry plus sun to wed's then super w/hood plus the rest of the week it worked well for us last year as we won 8 x 1st in two clubs and the yb averages in both clubs plus we was in the fed result most week's.

We had our first yb race yesterday and we had 14 bird's drop together from 105 mile's and we timed four in the club taking 3rd 4th 5th 6th with the next bird timed in the club 5 mins after us, so things are looking good for the yb season that start's with the fed next weekend.

Our best wishes to everyone for the yb season.

Ray & Teresa

 
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52 posts since 15/01/2005
Location: West Virginia,USA

Steve,I`m glad you mentioned the electrolites in the water on Sunday...
I just read somewhere that a Pigeon Vet or someone thought that the birds should have clear water on return from a race,and later that day or Monday,give the electrolites...I`m confused a little to say the least...The story said the clear water was needed more,and the thought was if the birds are a little dehydrated,the clear water would be more beneficial at this time..Then once the birds are back to normal with their water intake,give the electrolites...I normally give the electrolites a couple of days before shipping with other Natural Items in the water also....Alamo

 
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Hi Alamo
I really cannot see how clear water is best in place of Elecytrolites on the return from a race. The whole idea is to get the pigeon back in the best physical condition one can as quickly as we can. Not hold it back when a pigeon arrives home dehydrated and lost its body weight why on earth some try and keep the pigeon down is beyond me. Anyway a vet here in Belgium who posts told me that its the first hour of arrival that the pigeons gain benifit from Electrolites and i trust his judgement implicity
Steve Laughing