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Hi guys, One of the pigeon lads has just been here with a yb that has A swollen joint, just above the ring position, on its unrung leg. Without getting the books out for the right term, lets call it the knee. The skin is in perfect condition, pink with white scale, Yet the joint is swollen within. I would say it was a form of arthritis, but have not seen it before. I can normally sort their problems out, but not this time. I'm sure somebody on the forum will sort it, Iv'e told him to give me a call tomorrow and I will tell him what it is. Via the pipa forum of course. Regards, Vic.

 

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Location: Willow Park, Texas, USA

Vic, unless the swelling is the result of an injury, the most probable cause of the swollen joint is either paratyphoid or streptococcus bovis. A having the bird's droppings cultured while the swelling is acute will show whether or not it is paratyphoid or streptococcus. The treatment is either the dust bin or antibiotics. The two diseases do not respond well to the same antibiotic, so it is not advised to take a shotgun approach to treatment, if treatment is chosen. Ampicillin is a good treatment for streptococcus, Baytril for paratyphoid. For what it is worth, that is my opinion. A Vet is the best bet.

 
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Thanks Larry, This guy is not a member of my club, but somebody told him to pay Vic a visit. I try to do my best, because the vets around here have washed their hands of pigeon flyers, through the fanciers sheer ignorance of anti biotics. It's in the bin', going by the first reply. Any other sugestions welcommed. Perhaps it wears a golden ring, because I wouldn't carry any passengers that have no chance of paying their fare, Vic.

 
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Hi Vic,

although difficult to judge from a description, I believe the Doctor is right (maybey he deserves his name after all Laughing ) I would take a bet on paratyphoid, on the other hand only the dustbin might not be a good solution, because this will not solve the probablility that the other pigeons in the loft are infected....
If there is not real opportunity to culture the droppings to make sure, I would advice to use the dustbin on the sick pigeon and treat the rest with Baytrill....

good luck

 
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1st class advice!!

 
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Hermans, thanks for your contribution on the subject But to bin the affected bird, and treat the others with BAYTRIL, leaves in my mind, a lot to be desired. Perhaps , once again language difficulties. I sincerely hope so. Regards, Vic.

 
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1st class advice....ye...sure..if you want to go backwards....put it in the bin...treat with Baytril...at that price...don`t make me laugh....you lot spend more on medication,than i do on food bill.

 
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Thank guys for trying to help out, It was a "gold ring" afterall. I told him to bin it, to avoid any further complications. He reckons it has improved in the last seven days or so. Hhe is leaving it for one more week in isolation. He reckons all his others are in good health. If anything does arise from the situation, I will let you know. Regards, Vic.

 
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Vic, your friend may not be aware that some pigeons become carriers of paratyphoid after surviving the illness (if that is what this illness is). Not all of them, but enough do that it becomes a terrific pain in the neck when they periodically shed the virus and infect others in the loft -- and it will happen if this is paratyphoid. On the surface they are a picture of health, but when stressed a little they start shedding the virus into the loft -- usually during the second hatch. I think that was the point of Dhr. Hermans-Gomez in his recommendation. The probable evidence that the loft may have a carrier is suggested by the youngster displaying the disease. To date the only thing that is known to eliminate the carrier state of paratyphoid is 14 days on the recommended dosage of Baytril (sorry, Ben, but it is an indisputable fact). Other approaches (including doing nothing) may "cure" them, but the bacteria may only retreat into the bird's tissues into a dormant state. They are not really cured. Surely it is worth the expense for your friend to have some droppings (or blood) cultured by a good pigeon veterinarian so he can find out what he is really dealing with. It could save him years of problems -- not to mention spreading the problematic disease in the shipping crate to infect pigeons in other lofts. Just my opinion, for what it is worth.

 
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Larry, thanks again for your response. Do you think a treatment of baytril injected or whatever, will make these birds immune? Paramyxo is still rife, maybe in other forms, after the biggest rip-off ever. I firmly believe that one injection or infection should be sufficient to last any bird a lifetime. We are akin to sheep, and are too easily led. The pharmaceutical merchants are richer than the oil barons, Regards, Vic.

 
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Vic, if any of the anti-medicine brigade manage to produce a linebred family of pigeons that have a super immune system (no losses from sickness) and consistently race in the top 1% to 2% of the Fed while shipping every week (without shipping huge numbers), I will gladly consider buying youngsters from them and change my current loft management. Wink Many roads to Rome, and no road is the absolute right way. It keeps the game interesting. But if anyone finds that road, please let the rest of us hapless wanderers know, and we will gladly argue with them about the condition of the road (asphalt versus cobble stones). Laughing Laughing

 

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